You hit the nail on the head when you said outcomes depend on whose science it is. Battles in the environmental regulatory field are won by whose side paid for the most pedigreed and convincing PhD.
jedjiennings50, even at nine years of age I could not understand the humor connected to fully grown man pushing a machine with bare feet. Apparently Fred missed the entire concept of an eternal combustion motor. A 9 horsepower Briggs and Stratton motor would have offered Mr. Flintsone an advantage.
Barney Rebel, becomes hostile and no more delivery drivers will visit the cul-de-sac. Nobody wants to watch that battle now that my meds are delivered.
Amazon delivers all of our wants. Currently we don't need to leave our houses. In Sequim we can sell our lawnmowers because most of the lawns are brown
Speaking of science, the funniest thing I read today was an article about the City of Port Angeles adopting what they call the "Science of Hope." Nothing could be further from science -- and nothing they do gives me hope for this city. They can't wish a better future into being. Port Angeles needs to buckle down to attract the kind of business investment and tourism that will create jobs so people can actually afford housing. The answer is not more government spending. The answer is in less social spending and more on infrastructure and redevelopment. And somebody needs to kick the LEKT so that they defecate or get off the pot -- build the hotel or sell that land downtown to a company that wants to.
Lecturing government employees about HOPE so they can support current leaders in gaslighting the public, hosting the event at a sovereign CASINO, while PA is a dumpster fire - that's peak Port Angeles!
Exactly, what was the "benefit" of holding it at 7 Cedars? How much did it cost the city? They deflect and deflect, won't look at what has happened to their city, but get the employees to believe in the science of hope. You simply can't make this up.
That's how rebranding the same grift/graft works. Same nonsense words, tossed in the same word salad. People have grown tired and cynical of the word compassion when used towards criminals, homeless, and addicted. So now the new buzz word is hope. It's more like 2008 with Obama's hope and change campaign.
...closer to home; the shutoff of irrigation water from the Dungie on 13 August, and the impact on my garden. Who benefits from increased salmon runs? COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN!! And what group is that?
The dams on the Elwha were operated as run-of-the-river facilities - they simply passed the river's natural volume downstream to generate electricity rather than actively turning the tap up or down to manage municipal needs.
The city of Port Angeles drew its municipal and industrial water from a separate surface water intake located further down the river, completely below both dams.
The significant issue now is whether our elected leaders and their staff are proactively developing alternative water sources to prevent repetitious water shortages.
They've acknowledged the observable fact that the City's actual snowpack and glacial reservoirs are dwindling. What is the game plan?
Our elected leaders are solving our area's problems by pushing for a water steward. As in, add another gov't job to add more bureaucratic layers and costs.
We are dealing with death cultists whether it’s the tribes, our health officer, county commissioners, governor, or the rest.
BTW, good stewardship of the land is about how the land is used for people not for the idols worshipped by a cult. It requires agriculture, animal husbandry, canals, pipelines, dams, high rises, and more.
(From my archives) - Dams and culverts didn’t wreck the fisheries. The problem is not culverts or dams. We’ve had those for decades and we’ve had fish. They are only red-herrings designed to distract and keep the real culprits protected.
Have you ever seen a salmon struggling to go through a culvert? Have you ever seen a video of it? If the water can go through a culvert, is there a reason a salmon cannot go through? I’ve seen videos of salmon successfully struggling across wet roads. Is a culvert harder?
Have you seen salmon jumping to get over a rough natural section of water in person or in a video? Is there an outcry to remove that obstacle for better “fish passage?” Why wasn’t beloved Celilo Falls designated as a “fish barrier?” What about the “Sol Duc Salmon Cascades?” Ooh, cascades! It’s okay then, just cascades.
But, wait! There is something new. There has been an interesting change with “salmon cannons” made by Whooshh Innovations. It has long bothered me that we have had the ability to put men on the moon and bring them back safely for over 50 years, but we have trouble getting fish past a dam. Really? Well, no excuses now. Not any more? And we can now shoot a salmon part way to the moon. Progress!).
Look for Whooshh’s “Salmon Cannon.” Pay attention to the new one where the fish swim eagerly into the small opening. Makes one think maybe the culverts were too big. Not enough of a challenge.
All the money for the new culverts isn’t for fish. I consider it money laundering. Just another excuse to tax us more and put the blame for wrecked fisheries on someone and something else. “Don’t look at the culprits, look at the culverts.”
The inconveniences the construction delays cause is just a reminder of who is in charge. Do as we say. Also to inconvenience the driving public. Those damned cars. Stay home.
On the other hand, I support fish ladders were none previously and also better designs when available. Have you seen Switzerland’s design? Even better, have you seen the “Salmon Cannon?”
Are there enough flies and other bugs now for fish? Are there enough nutrients in the water for the bottom of the fish food chain, for the squid, anchovies, shrimp, herring, etc. to be healthy and abundant? How “polluted” were the waters when they were teeming with creatures that were pooping, dying, and decomposing?
Plenty doesn’t come from sterility.
Let's make each of the Snake River Dams, all dams, into vacation and outdoor fun destinations with water slides, swimming, canoeing, kayaking, bungie jumping, zip lines, and camping. Anything else?
How about some bicycles that can carry a salmon, allow people to pedal the fish past the dam. Contests could be designed for fastest time, most fish in set time, relays, etc.
Never again would we hear, “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.”
Disney Land/World could use an unwoke up call too in the form of competition.
And, now we have the “Salmon Cannon.”
Wow! I was thinking of adding hot air balloon rides.
Remember - in America, we make the pie bigger, we don’t divide “the spoils” among special interests. More fish and water for all.
Water “adjudication” is evil and so is dam removal.
New hatcheries with combat and escape and evasion training for new and old ones.
The Indian Tribes used to eat salmon for food. I have no problem letting them catch for food. Who the hell gave them the right to catch limitless amounts and sell them? That is why the salmon are decreasing in population the limitless harvesting by Tribes.
Equal rights? I don’t think so. Before electricity they built fires to cook. Try that today and they would starve. Enough said about the stupid white men we have let rule the real world we live in today!
My grandfather worked on that project which helped to build the economy and the nation, by extension, out of the Great Depression. He had to quit school to provide for his family, after his father was killed in an accident.
Subsequent years saw the implementation of better fish ladders, sprawling orchards, wind farms to supplement the energy industry that sold out of state to create revenue for our state.
I supplied the millions of $ of wire and control panels and transformers 20 years ago in their modernization of the dams electrical structure. What an amazing project in those days with the limited resources versus today’s technology. Think of the fix we would be in today without the Grand Coulee dam!
The biggest problem I have with the science on this topic is the solutions they do and offer. The people who propose and have their way in change like removing dams DONT own up to the results of their actions they just disappear. These dam removals have caused more harm than good and no one will have a remedy for the mistakes they have made. Time to change course on all the garbage they push on us.
And how does the Clallam County PUD plan on providing the electrical needs for us?
*** AI ***
Clallam County PUD purchases virtually 100% of its electricity supply from the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA). Because BPA generates power for the Pacific Northwest primarily using the Federal Columbia River Power System, Clallam PUD’s electricity portfolio is consistently around 95% to 96% carbon-free.
Primary Energy Sources Breakdown,:
Hydropower (~75% – 85%): The vast majority of power comes from federal hydroelectric dams along the Columbia and Snake rivers.
Nuclear (~11% – 13%): Generated by the Columbia Generating Station nuclear power plant near Richland, Washington.
Unspecified / Market Purchases (~10% – 11%): Power purchased by BPA from the spot market during peak demand or low-water periods. This portion can include a variable mix of thermal generation, wind, or solar.
Small Hydro (~1%): Clallam PUD supplements a tiny fraction of its local demand through small, local hydroelectric projects.
Exactly! It's right on all of our power bills. So, do these "follow the science" educated ID10T's in control think that we're all stupid? My science says that the fish ladders, as we have all most likely seen, work very well. The apple trees in Eastern WA are getting watered. Clean energy for all, and some to sell out of state.
Actually I’ve done some research on this using Ai. Assuming it’s correct, There is a flow meter in the Elwha below the old dams, been there 100 years. So there is flow data going way back. Blowing out the dam had zero effect on the flow. That surprised me. The current low flow rate is totally normal, it does this very often this time of the year. But we rarely have 5 straight years of these low flow rates. That is the only abnormal thing that we’re seeing. That will hopefully
end next winter if we get good snowpack. (Just for the record, I’m normally in favor of modern technology like dams which provide electricity and water so we can live well.)
The flow meter on the Elwha was there for the pulp and paper mills to monitor their usage. A hundred years is "a drop in the bucket" in the grand scheme. Even in my short 74 years on the Peninsula, I have physically witnessed high and low flows in rivers from the Quinault to the Skokomish, and most in between. People have this false notion that the earth is static, which in my mind is akin the the earth being flat. Living on a ship in the oceans, or viewing from 8 miles high in an aircraft changes that perception. As far as science goes, the people making the rules aren't practicing science, yet want constituents and practitioners to "follow the science", toeing the line they have arbitrarily drawn.. I had this conversation with staff at Clallam County Environmental Health only yesterday. Staff asserted that I should pump my septic tank based on numbers I wrote in my report, not the biology occurring within. I asked if Clallam County EH performs temperature, pH, or dissolved oxygen testing within a given OSS to determine the health of the "bugs"; the answer was "no." Follow non-existent science to make knee-jerk decisions, requiring someone else's money and resources in order to acquiesce and satisfy unsupported mandates because one's system is within a MRA, and "I said-so." I did address the issue of county leadership, budgeting, and priorities set by leadership, and also thanked Staff for the job they are attempting to fulfill under said circumstances. "Money" was accented as a motivator in retaining dedicated employees. CC is bringing in trainees and getting them up to speed, yet I know that Water and Wastewater Science, RCW, et al. mandates take years to digest and apply judiciously. It was also stated that money is what keeps knowledgable Staff here, which doesn't reflect well as a desirable place to live and raise a family. The botttom line, is that people who truly appreciate where they live, make thier living, and recreate, will fight and die to sustain those beliefs and desires; hence, our Republic. The average person in a municipailty expends over 100 gallons of treated water every single day, some over double that number. Potable water is treated, so it's not a matter of just scooping it out of a body of water and sending it throught the distribution system to the consumer. As a retired water and wastewater professional, I recall many long days and nights scrambling to keep both flowing to and from the end user/contributor. Fretting over flow levels, something we have zero control over, is a fool's errand; stress will kill you, making an otherwise pleasant existence miserable for those in close proximity, who areattempting. We no longer have two reservoirs behind the Elwha and Glines Canyon Dams, nor resulting flood control. Water was easily accessible to "dip" from either reservoir for backcountryand wildland firefighting operations, as well. Who is the Water Master for Clallam County (RCW 90.03)?
Exactly, and look at the increase of NGO's in this county even in the last ten years. The money goes to the staff and benefits and very little to the actual cause they claim to be working towards.
Hey, Victor, how come you never correct Toxic Slop? Will he not allow it in his comments, like a dictator? So funny how you have to come to the Watchdog to speak out in opposition. I’m guessing you just copied and pasted this comment like you do all your others. LOL.
That actually tracks. Before the dam was removed the reservoir held water for a steady, and necessary, flow during dry months. Good for fish, good for agriculture, good for residents.
I watched that video a couple of weeks ago. Someone comented in a Nextdoor post with the link. I also passed that on in a comment in a previous CCWD article. So, it's getting around.
I am curious as to how well the removal of dams on the Elwha has helped the fish populations. When I do a search I get a variety of opinions. On the one hand there are articles written by environmental groups that describe fish now "swarming" upstream to spawn, that there has been a "surge" in the numbers. Then I read another article that reported numbers based on the use of sonar to actually count the fish. That article described an increase in some but not all species. When graphed the results did show a slight uptick over the last decade for some species, but nothing that I would characterize as a swarm or surge. If you want to believe that removing the dams was successful then you write accordingly, never mind actual numbers.
The scientific method calls for one to make observations about the real world and then arrive at a hypothesis to explain your observations. Next you conduct an experiment and collect data to test the hypothesis. If the results of your test are consistent with your hypothesis, then maybe (emphasis on maybe) your hypothesis is correct. More data collected later could always prove the original hypothesis wrong. Science is never "settled". Tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars have been spent in Washington on revising culverts under roadways in the name salmon recovery. The hypothesis is that changing the culverts will increase the number of salmon. Was this ever tested? Instead of changing every roadway wherever they cross a stream or river, did anyone conduct an experiment on perhaps 4 or 5 and wait to see if the salmon returned? If so, please let me know. "Everybody knows that..." is not science. Is this the kind of science advanced by a biased NGO and tested in a court of law. /sarc
The tribes hire fresh college educated biologists looking for a job. I find it hard to imagine that results/conclusions/data are as accurate as reported if your job is on the line. That and the approach. Is research pursued to prove a point, or to look strictly at the data?
Exactly. That is why the water stewardship needs to go back to the DNR. The grant money for that gig doesn't need to go to a biased, and non-transparent, NGO.
In all fairness, the progressive policies of the Democrats who control every aspect of this state have ensured that everything a state agency does give the tribes more weight than it does for everyone. As such I have little belief that they would be much better, but it being a state agency affords more transparency in my opinion.
People don't realize that the CCP is behind these ECO-excuses in their campaign to throttle back our industrialization. The Tribes buy into it because it might mean they can exploit an additional 1% of stupid fish that don't know how to navigate fish ladders or under-highway culverts. It's pure BS, but the leftists buy into it as if they had a fishhook in their mouths.
Is this the real reason you opposed the water resources specialist charter amendment: you already know the science? Well, having followed the Columbia and Snake River situation all my life since growing up in Richland I can assure you that spill is the only reason there are any salmon left in those rivers. As for the Elwha, we had critical water shortages in PA with the dams in place. During an especially dry period when Dixie Lee Ray was governor environmental procedures were suspended for water supply projects throughout the state to attempt to cope with the situation then. We didn't do such a good job because the situation in Clallam County is the worst ever. Our main reservoirs are essentially gone, and they are not the Elway Dam Reservoirs. They were the glaciers. We need solutions, and we need them quickly, solutions that save the fish which are again increasingly becoming important for our economy. Fish in our rivers, and fish in the Columbia and Snake Rivers (the latter of which have a major impact on the salmon fishing seasons in Clallam County). The low hanging fruit here is to use our gravel aquifers as storage reservoirs, and in the Dungeness Valley using the irrigation ditches during periods of high winter flows to distribute the water.
There's no question that viable/reasonable solutions are needed. The question is the accuracy of the solution(s). Best example I can rhink of was the counties aquifer recharge claim that they had to retract after we learned that the construction method wouldn't provide for it.
Government needs to be careful to be transparent on what it's doing.
You hit the nail on the head when you said outcomes depend on whose science it is. Battles in the environmental regulatory field are won by whose side paid for the most pedigreed and convincing PhD.
I'll take smart over educated any day of the week.
Educated minds often relay upon academic models to form their opinions. "All swans are white until the black swan appears".
Yet are ordinary citizens offered a choice?
That's all you have to do, claim it's "science" and the gullibles eat it up.
"...The decision preserves science-based rule protecting more than 19,000 miles of streams."
https://waconservationaction.org/court-upholds-washingtons-protections-for-headwater-streams
Absolutely!!
Same people that want mandated EV auto sales want to eliminate inexpensive, abundant, clean hydro power . . .
So dumb
If they had their way we would be driving cars like Fred Flintsone! Ha Ha 😎
We, not them!
We they them he she me her him what the hell has the world come too! I just say I am an it now. Maybe Fred and Wilma DONT seem so funny any more
Their competition George Jetson was hardly suitable competition in spite of Jane Jetson who was unlike Wilma Flintstone was far more cosmopolitan.
jedjiennings50, even at nine years of age I could not understand the humor connected to fully grown man pushing a machine with bare feet. Apparently Fred missed the entire concept of an eternal combustion motor. A 9 horsepower Briggs and Stratton motor would have offered Mr. Flintsone an advantage.
Barney Rebel, becomes hostile and no more delivery drivers will visit the cul-de-sac. Nobody wants to watch that battle now that my meds are delivered.
Amazon delivers all of our wants. Currently we don't need to leave our houses. In Sequim we can sell our lawnmowers because most of the lawns are brown
I would vote for a modern hydropower dam. Solve a regional water supply and produce very valuable clean energy.
What's wrong with that science? Maybe you should call it the Science Of Logic.
Bingo!
Speaking of science, the funniest thing I read today was an article about the City of Port Angeles adopting what they call the "Science of Hope." Nothing could be further from science -- and nothing they do gives me hope for this city. They can't wish a better future into being. Port Angeles needs to buckle down to attract the kind of business investment and tourism that will create jobs so people can actually afford housing. The answer is not more government spending. The answer is in less social spending and more on infrastructure and redevelopment. And somebody needs to kick the LEKT so that they defecate or get off the pot -- build the hotel or sell that land downtown to a company that wants to.
Lecturing government employees about HOPE so they can support current leaders in gaslighting the public, hosting the event at a sovereign CASINO, while PA is a dumpster fire - that's peak Port Angeles!
Science of HOPE at the CASINO. How dumb are we, really???
I read that article in the PDN. It was a real head scratcher.
"On Jan. 26, Sharp and Geyer attended
a North Olympic Peninsula conversation
on hope, which Peninsula College President
Dr. Suzy Ames brought to town.
Ames invited Dr. Chan Hellman as part
of the college’s work to become a Hope
Centered Organization. Leaders from
across Clallam and Jefferson counties
gathered at 7 Cedars Casino for an introduction
to the Science of Hope."
Geyer is the manager of the Senior Center and Sharp is PA's Fire Chief.
Not mentioned was how much this cost the City, that is to say, the residents of the city, for this nebulous benefit.
“I am excited to share that now
30 employees from across nine of our
11 departments have received Hope
Awareness training,” Geyer said. “During
that time, they practiced applying those
goals, pathways and agencies and willpower
that we talked about to real departmental
priorities and then in their own
personal goals.”
I am sure they were all on the clock. Why at 7 Cedars when there are plenty of places for a meeting in PA?
Exactly, what was the "benefit" of holding it at 7 Cedars? How much did it cost the city? They deflect and deflect, won't look at what has happened to their city, but get the employees to believe in the science of hope. You simply can't make this up.
It sounds like HOG WASH to me!!!!!!!!
That's how rebranding the same grift/graft works. Same nonsense words, tossed in the same word salad. People have grown tired and cynical of the word compassion when used towards criminals, homeless, and addicted. So now the new buzz word is hope. It's more like 2008 with Obama's hope and change campaign.
I was going to reply earlier. However I could not without using words unsuitable for public consumption. It is mind boggling to me.
...closer to home; the shutoff of irrigation water from the Dungie on 13 August, and the impact on my garden. Who benefits from increased salmon runs? COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN!! And what group is that?
Agreed!
It is a big shock they shut the water off without any notice! I run small farm, and depend on irrigation for livestock grazing/my food production.
My base line thought is they want us, who live off the land, to have hardship. They don't like they can't control our every move.
Bingo!
The dams on the Elwha were operated as run-of-the-river facilities - they simply passed the river's natural volume downstream to generate electricity rather than actively turning the tap up or down to manage municipal needs.
The city of Port Angeles drew its municipal and industrial water from a separate surface water intake located further down the river, completely below both dams.
The significant issue now is whether our elected leaders and their staff are proactively developing alternative water sources to prevent repetitious water shortages.
They've acknowledged the observable fact that the City's actual snowpack and glacial reservoirs are dwindling. What is the game plan?
Our elected leaders are solving our area's problems by pushing for a water steward. As in, add another gov't job to add more bureaucratic layers and costs.
DITTO
Isn't the League of Women Voters supporting the idea of a water steward. I can guess the required ideology of the appointee already.
Yes, they pushed hard for it at the Charter Review Commission.
There must be a great deal of pride and satisfaction in making Stupid decisions
We are dealing with death cultists whether it’s the tribes, our health officer, county commissioners, governor, or the rest.
BTW, good stewardship of the land is about how the land is used for people not for the idols worshipped by a cult. It requires agriculture, animal husbandry, canals, pipelines, dams, high rises, and more.
(From my archives) - Dams and culverts didn’t wreck the fisheries. The problem is not culverts or dams. We’ve had those for decades and we’ve had fish. They are only red-herrings designed to distract and keep the real culprits protected.
Have you ever seen a salmon struggling to go through a culvert? Have you ever seen a video of it? If the water can go through a culvert, is there a reason a salmon cannot go through? I’ve seen videos of salmon successfully struggling across wet roads. Is a culvert harder?
Have you seen salmon jumping to get over a rough natural section of water in person or in a video? Is there an outcry to remove that obstacle for better “fish passage?” Why wasn’t beloved Celilo Falls designated as a “fish barrier?” What about the “Sol Duc Salmon Cascades?” Ooh, cascades! It’s okay then, just cascades.
But, wait! There is something new. There has been an interesting change with “salmon cannons” made by Whooshh Innovations. It has long bothered me that we have had the ability to put men on the moon and bring them back safely for over 50 years, but we have trouble getting fish past a dam. Really? Well, no excuses now. Not any more? And we can now shoot a salmon part way to the moon. Progress!).
Look for Whooshh’s “Salmon Cannon.” Pay attention to the new one where the fish swim eagerly into the small opening. Makes one think maybe the culverts were too big. Not enough of a challenge.
All the money for the new culverts isn’t for fish. I consider it money laundering. Just another excuse to tax us more and put the blame for wrecked fisheries on someone and something else. “Don’t look at the culprits, look at the culverts.”
The inconveniences the construction delays cause is just a reminder of who is in charge. Do as we say. Also to inconvenience the driving public. Those damned cars. Stay home.
On the other hand, I support fish ladders were none previously and also better designs when available. Have you seen Switzerland’s design? Even better, have you seen the “Salmon Cannon?”
Are there enough flies and other bugs now for fish? Are there enough nutrients in the water for the bottom of the fish food chain, for the squid, anchovies, shrimp, herring, etc. to be healthy and abundant? How “polluted” were the waters when they were teeming with creatures that were pooping, dying, and decomposing?
Plenty doesn’t come from sterility.
Let's make each of the Snake River Dams, all dams, into vacation and outdoor fun destinations with water slides, swimming, canoeing, kayaking, bungie jumping, zip lines, and camping. Anything else?
How about some bicycles that can carry a salmon, allow people to pedal the fish past the dam. Contests could be designed for fastest time, most fish in set time, relays, etc.
Never again would we hear, “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.”
Disney Land/World could use an unwoke up call too in the form of competition.
And, now we have the “Salmon Cannon.”
Wow! I was thinking of adding hot air balloon rides.
Remember - in America, we make the pie bigger, we don’t divide “the spoils” among special interests. More fish and water for all.
Water “adjudication” is evil and so is dam removal.
New hatcheries with combat and escape and evasion training for new and old ones.
The Indian Tribes used to eat salmon for food. I have no problem letting them catch for food. Who the hell gave them the right to catch limitless amounts and sell them? That is why the salmon are decreasing in population the limitless harvesting by Tribes.
Equal rights? I don’t think so. Before electricity they built fires to cook. Try that today and they would starve. Enough said about the stupid white men we have let rule the real world we live in today!
Look at grand coulee and banks lake designed and built by farmers and most i would guess only had an 8th grade education.
My grandfather worked on that project which helped to build the economy and the nation, by extension, out of the Great Depression. He had to quit school to provide for his family, after his father was killed in an accident.
Subsequent years saw the implementation of better fish ladders, sprawling orchards, wind farms to supplement the energy industry that sold out of state to create revenue for our state.
Why tear it down?
I supplied the millions of $ of wire and control panels and transformers 20 years ago in their modernization of the dams electrical structure. What an amazing project in those days with the limited resources versus today’s technology. Think of the fix we would be in today without the Grand Coulee dam!
Here's an old frase "us it or lose it'.
Because it works. Evil doesn't like happiness.
The biggest problem I have with the science on this topic is the solutions they do and offer. The people who propose and have their way in change like removing dams DONT own up to the results of their actions they just disappear. These dam removals have caused more harm than good and no one will have a remedy for the mistakes they have made. Time to change course on all the garbage they push on us.
Where does the Clallam PUD get its energy from?
And how does the Clallam County PUD plan on providing the electrical needs for us?
*** AI ***
Clallam County PUD purchases virtually 100% of its electricity supply from the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA). Because BPA generates power for the Pacific Northwest primarily using the Federal Columbia River Power System, Clallam PUD’s electricity portfolio is consistently around 95% to 96% carbon-free.
Primary Energy Sources Breakdown,:
Hydropower (~75% – 85%): The vast majority of power comes from federal hydroelectric dams along the Columbia and Snake rivers.
Nuclear (~11% – 13%): Generated by the Columbia Generating Station nuclear power plant near Richland, Washington.
Unspecified / Market Purchases (~10% – 11%): Power purchased by BPA from the spot market during peak demand or low-water periods. This portion can include a variable mix of thermal generation, wind, or solar.
Small Hydro (~1%): Clallam PUD supplements a tiny fraction of its local demand through small, local hydroelectric projects.
Exactly! It's right on all of our power bills. So, do these "follow the science" educated ID10T's in control think that we're all stupid? My science says that the fish ladders, as we have all most likely seen, work very well. The apple trees in Eastern WA are getting watered. Clean energy for all, and some to sell out of state.
Actually I’ve done some research on this using Ai. Assuming it’s correct, There is a flow meter in the Elwha below the old dams, been there 100 years. So there is flow data going way back. Blowing out the dam had zero effect on the flow. That surprised me. The current low flow rate is totally normal, it does this very often this time of the year. But we rarely have 5 straight years of these low flow rates. That is the only abnormal thing that we’re seeing. That will hopefully
end next winter if we get good snowpack. (Just for the record, I’m normally in favor of modern technology like dams which provide electricity and water so we can live well.)
The flow meter on the Elwha was there for the pulp and paper mills to monitor their usage. A hundred years is "a drop in the bucket" in the grand scheme. Even in my short 74 years on the Peninsula, I have physically witnessed high and low flows in rivers from the Quinault to the Skokomish, and most in between. People have this false notion that the earth is static, which in my mind is akin the the earth being flat. Living on a ship in the oceans, or viewing from 8 miles high in an aircraft changes that perception. As far as science goes, the people making the rules aren't practicing science, yet want constituents and practitioners to "follow the science", toeing the line they have arbitrarily drawn.. I had this conversation with staff at Clallam County Environmental Health only yesterday. Staff asserted that I should pump my septic tank based on numbers I wrote in my report, not the biology occurring within. I asked if Clallam County EH performs temperature, pH, or dissolved oxygen testing within a given OSS to determine the health of the "bugs"; the answer was "no." Follow non-existent science to make knee-jerk decisions, requiring someone else's money and resources in order to acquiesce and satisfy unsupported mandates because one's system is within a MRA, and "I said-so." I did address the issue of county leadership, budgeting, and priorities set by leadership, and also thanked Staff for the job they are attempting to fulfill under said circumstances. "Money" was accented as a motivator in retaining dedicated employees. CC is bringing in trainees and getting them up to speed, yet I know that Water and Wastewater Science, RCW, et al. mandates take years to digest and apply judiciously. It was also stated that money is what keeps knowledgable Staff here, which doesn't reflect well as a desirable place to live and raise a family. The botttom line, is that people who truly appreciate where they live, make thier living, and recreate, will fight and die to sustain those beliefs and desires; hence, our Republic. The average person in a municipailty expends over 100 gallons of treated water every single day, some over double that number. Potable water is treated, so it's not a matter of just scooping it out of a body of water and sending it throught the distribution system to the consumer. As a retired water and wastewater professional, I recall many long days and nights scrambling to keep both flowing to and from the end user/contributor. Fretting over flow levels, something we have zero control over, is a fool's errand; stress will kill you, making an otherwise pleasant existence miserable for those in close proximity, who areattempting. We no longer have two reservoirs behind the Elwha and Glines Canyon Dams, nor resulting flood control. Water was easily accessible to "dip" from either reservoir for backcountryand wildland firefighting operations, as well. Who is the Water Master for Clallam County (RCW 90.03)?
I've been here 78 years well said. Most of this " modern science is to grow government with none producing jobs. It contributes NOTHING to the GNP.
Exactly, and look at the increase of NGO's in this county even in the last ten years. The money goes to the staff and benefits and very little to the actual cause they claim to be working towards.
What you really need to known is water flows down hill!
Hey, Victor, how come you never correct Toxic Slop? Will he not allow it in his comments, like a dictator? So funny how you have to come to the Watchdog to speak out in opposition. I’m guessing you just copied and pasted this comment like you do all your others. LOL.
That actually tracks. Before the dam was removed the reservoir held water for a steady, and necessary, flow during dry months. Good for fish, good for agriculture, good for residents.
Your chart shows the minimum recorded was 188 cfs in 1931. So what's your point?
The same scientific language—“urgent action for endangered salmon” ----- Yet these salmon can not use the rivers because they are so low.
But not to worry the golf course is green.
I watched that video a couple of weeks ago. Someone comented in a Nextdoor post with the link. I also passed that on in a comment in a previous CCWD article. So, it's getting around.
What a load of... well, you know.
I am curious as to how well the removal of dams on the Elwha has helped the fish populations. When I do a search I get a variety of opinions. On the one hand there are articles written by environmental groups that describe fish now "swarming" upstream to spawn, that there has been a "surge" in the numbers. Then I read another article that reported numbers based on the use of sonar to actually count the fish. That article described an increase in some but not all species. When graphed the results did show a slight uptick over the last decade for some species, but nothing that I would characterize as a swarm or surge. If you want to believe that removing the dams was successful then you write accordingly, never mind actual numbers.
The scientific method calls for one to make observations about the real world and then arrive at a hypothesis to explain your observations. Next you conduct an experiment and collect data to test the hypothesis. If the results of your test are consistent with your hypothesis, then maybe (emphasis on maybe) your hypothesis is correct. More data collected later could always prove the original hypothesis wrong. Science is never "settled". Tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars have been spent in Washington on revising culverts under roadways in the name salmon recovery. The hypothesis is that changing the culverts will increase the number of salmon. Was this ever tested? Instead of changing every roadway wherever they cross a stream or river, did anyone conduct an experiment on perhaps 4 or 5 and wait to see if the salmon returned? If so, please let me know. "Everybody knows that..." is not science. Is this the kind of science advanced by a biased NGO and tested in a court of law. /sarc
The tribes hire fresh college educated biologists looking for a job. I find it hard to imagine that results/conclusions/data are as accurate as reported if your job is on the line. That and the approach. Is research pursued to prove a point, or to look strictly at the data?
Exactly. That is why the water stewardship needs to go back to the DNR. The grant money for that gig doesn't need to go to a biased, and non-transparent, NGO.
In all fairness, the progressive policies of the Democrats who control every aspect of this state have ensured that everything a state agency does give the tribes more weight than it does for everyone. As such I have little belief that they would be much better, but it being a state agency affords more transparency in my opinion.
People don't realize that the CCP is behind these ECO-excuses in their campaign to throttle back our industrialization. The Tribes buy into it because it might mean they can exploit an additional 1% of stupid fish that don't know how to navigate fish ladders or under-highway culverts. It's pure BS, but the leftists buy into it as if they had a fishhook in their mouths.
Is this the real reason you opposed the water resources specialist charter amendment: you already know the science? Well, having followed the Columbia and Snake River situation all my life since growing up in Richland I can assure you that spill is the only reason there are any salmon left in those rivers. As for the Elwha, we had critical water shortages in PA with the dams in place. During an especially dry period when Dixie Lee Ray was governor environmental procedures were suspended for water supply projects throughout the state to attempt to cope with the situation then. We didn't do such a good job because the situation in Clallam County is the worst ever. Our main reservoirs are essentially gone, and they are not the Elway Dam Reservoirs. They were the glaciers. We need solutions, and we need them quickly, solutions that save the fish which are again increasingly becoming important for our economy. Fish in our rivers, and fish in the Columbia and Snake Rivers (the latter of which have a major impact on the salmon fishing seasons in Clallam County). The low hanging fruit here is to use our gravel aquifers as storage reservoirs, and in the Dungeness Valley using the irrigation ditches during periods of high winter flows to distribute the water.
There's no question that viable/reasonable solutions are needed. The question is the accuracy of the solution(s). Best example I can rhink of was the counties aquifer recharge claim that they had to retract after we learned that the construction method wouldn't provide for it.
Government needs to be careful to be transparent on what it's doing.
Agreed, stop exporting it? Recharge