Thanks for another well written post! This organization practices double-speak. It seems that they have been able to walk a fine line for awhile, but now that the spotlight is getting a little too bright, their reactions are revealing their true nature/intentions.
Nothing surprises me regarding the Indivisible group. Have had first hand review of Jamie Porter. This group is everything they are not. Their red riding hood gowns, secretive meetings, No Kings protests & many others, divisive! Who needs them? What’s next KKK hats or Nazi camps and rules? This group is a hate group. If you don’t fit their mold or agree with their selective ways forget it.
Can’t believe 4 police officers responded, seriously? I put nothing past Jamie Porter, she’s a real doozy!
What makes me mad (or hurt, in some cases) is that most of these people make these judgements about me and how I think. I don't care if they don't 'know' me. What I care about is how they hate so much.
I wasnt there so I don't know what happened, but how is it that Chief Smith and the library can defend these potential first amendment violations?
The only option the organizers had, if the police and library were doing their jobs, was to terminate the meeting. They held no power of ownership of a public space to have anyone trespassed absent disruptive behavior.
Thank you, MK. My first thought was why these anti-ICE and defund- the-police activists called the police as their default solution to handling the private vs public issue.
For me that's just how these people do business. I expect their controlling behavior. What I don't understand and find far more concerning is that the library and LE trespassed people from a public space paid for by tax money. I wonder how that police report reads.
"meeting rooms are free of charge to groups or individuals meeting all of the following criteria... 501(c)(3) that is community based (determination rests with Library Director) Event/Meeting must be educational, cultural, civic, intellectual, charitable, and/or community related and indisputably not commercial in nature" "Meetings/events/programs must be open to all persons who wish to attend." (If it's primarily private or limited in scope does not constitute compliance with this requirement). all other uses... get charged a fee. https://www.nols.org/reserve/
PROVE TO ME that they didn't float in under the "community based" free flag.
In Washington State public libraries are subject to the Open Public Meetings Act and the Public Records Act. So, this should be a simple request... that they must honor.
Great info Jeff. These people have no intention of being transparent. They hide from the people they are supposedly trying to represent. Their mission is one bald faced lie and we are supposed to trust them. Democracy does NOT flourish behind closed doors it squashes it. Most of the heads at the Invisible did not seem to be qualified by their non voted positions. They can’t even list their background which makes one wonder why. I would boycott their businesses but monkey business is not in my punch list.
Thank you for exposing these hypocrites. My closest friend is a Filipino business owner in PA. Once while she was in Costco, an OWL member of indivisible approached her with a business card and said, “here”.
My friend said “what is this? She said “well, you’re brown, we are here for you”. She said “I’m an American citizen. I’m not worried about my skin color”. That is racist.
Another thing-
A Nextdoor Admin reached out to me last year warned/advised me that “Rae Hesselbach” is having neighbors routinely kicked off the platform and that I might just want to preemptively block her- good advice- the dialogue on ND has been less combative without her. They are a nasty group of people IMHO.
Thank you, Jeff, for another episode of Peel Back the Onion. We all know what LWV and Indivisible are, don't we? That's been evident since "time immemorial." However, the library allowing such a blatant abuse of stated policy, on top of sponsoring obviously political events and starting to branch out into areas not associated with traditional library functions? And they wonder why so many opposed the recent levy lift. It will be fun to watch the library board of directors answer questions about this meeting kerfuffle. As they say, silence speaks volumes.
So, can we protest and not pay the library levy when we get our next tax bill as members of the public were not allowed in the public library at a public event?
Thanks Jeff for your post today. Mumbo jumbo, they learn the key words that pull on the heart strings of those that just follow and don’t think independently. Compassion, equity, inclusion and on and on. They have turned the true meaning into a political statements and word salads. And their statements just drip with hypocrisy as we see their actions.
It’s been brought to my attention that you have written an article at Clallam County Watchdog about an incident at the Port Angeles Library earlier this week. The article asks a lot of questions about the library, but it seems you never actually contacted the library to try to understand the situation fully. NOLS staff have met with and had phone conversations with many of the people involved in Monday’s incident, and would have been happy to answer any questions you had before you published an article.
To clarify some of these issues for community members, the following information will be shared on NOLS social media:
“It’s an exciting time at NOLS with Summer Reading starting today. In addition to encouraging literacy and learning through this uplifting program, staff have been spending time this week to answer a lot of questions about library meeting rooms. This is due to a brief incident with a paid room reservation that happened at the Port Angeles Main Library on Monday, June 8. Since then, NOLS staff has met with and had useful conversations with many of the people involved in order to understand what happened, clarify any misunderstandings, and learn how things could be improved in the future.
The group that reserved the meeting room on Monday evening paid a $50 fee to use the space. That meant the group did not need to meet the policy requirements for groups who want to utilize library meetings rooms for free.
NOLS provides important community meeting spaces at each of its branches, and like all of its services, strives to not charge users any fees for their use. Hundreds of meeting room reservations are made every year utilizing the Library’s policy for free use. To get free use, the group 1) must be a nonprofit or community-based, 2) the use of the room must not be commercial in nature, and 3) the meeting must be open to all who wish to attend. Examples of free use reservations include Beekeepers meetings, a local chess club, and AARP Tax-Aide.
Groups who don’t meet the policy requirements for free use, can pay a fee and still use the meeting rooms. Paying a fee for meeting room use may happen for a number of reasons. For example, a local business can pay to reserve the room for staff meetings, trainings, and job interviews, which allows them to decide who the appropriate meeting attendees are. Another good example is birthday parties. Many families have reserved library meeting rooms for birthday parties and paid the fee so the room is not open to any member of the public during that time.
When the meeting rooms are reserved for events not open to the public, the rest of the library still remains available for everyone to use and there are usually other spaces within the library for multiple groups to meet at the same time.
NOLS ask groups that reserve the meeting room to not state or imply that their event is sponsored, co-sponsored, approved, or endorsed by the Library. Otherwise, the Library has very little control over how a meeting room user advertises its event and cannot monitor advertising for hundreds of non-library sponsored events every year.
We understand that the local blog Clallam County Watchdog published an opinion about this incident with many questions, but NOLS was not contacted by Clallam County Watchdog before the article was published. All community members are encouraged to contact their local Branch Manager or NOLS Administration directly if they have any questions or suggestions about Library policy or services. We welcome conversations about how NOLS can better serve the community. Comment cards are also available in all Library branches and comments can be emailed to the Library Director at Director@nols.org.
If you are interested in reserving a meeting room – for public or private use – you can make a reservation and learn more about the spaces available at www.nols.org/reserve.”
If you have further questions or seek any clarification, please let me know.
I'm glad that Director Glaude initiated a response to today's article, but he didn't answer any questions directly associated with the featured incident except to say the group paid a $50 fee. No addressing the attendees who were denied entrance, and who notified law enforcement to intervene in the perceived threat? He needs to do more than sugar it.
Hopefully I’ll get a follow up from indivisible. I realized yesterday the email I had for them may have not been accurate, so I sent another letter first thing this morning. If anyone else wants to question Indivisible, this is the proper email of contact according to a member I was speaking to on Reddit:
I am very happy to know you are pursuing your rights and questioning on whose authority was L/E called in to settle the issue. You were misled into thinking the meeting was open to the public, when Indivisible had no intention of it being so. Many questions remain and I hope you get honest answers.
Thank you, I agree that nowadays it seems like you have to jump through all the hoops to get good clarification. Even if it means getting the “run around”
I’m still hoping someone can help me make sense of it and maybe have a little conviction? I’m a pretty reasonable forgiving person, with very low expectations of others. I hope somehow we can finding unification. Crazy to think a lot of the group attendees/members claim to be partisan…
I agree that clarification and doing better next time is the goal. Ask the Chief to do a review of the incident to get a better understanding of what transpired and if another situation occurs would LE respond and take action in the same way, whatever that was.
Could you clarify. Were you trespassed because of disruptive behavior? Did a library official ask LE to have you trespassed or were they ever present and engaged in any discussions before LE was called about proper behavior?
One of the members as you’ll notice seems completely cool with being the “fall guy” for indivisible, until I came onto the thread to question him.
I was making a joke, though I get my choice in words may not have been the best. This is just one of the forums I found about me completely BY MISTAKE. I had to do a double take because I was so confused? I didn’t know people had hate forums on Reddit.
Then from my city comment a few weeks back which was an analogy on our commissioners using the unhoused as “cash cows” while many are still dying…. I had two minutes to express my frustration about expansion of harm reduction. They skewed the context and made it out to be something it wasn’t. Notice bemused_alligators again, indivisible member.
I have been asking what exactly I have done to disrupt these people? It was my first time attending an indivisible meeting. No one can give me an answer. Hopefully after realizing the email mishap someone will get back to me, but again I’m not particularly optimistic considering how I’ve been seemingly dodged, and deflected.
I'm interested in what happened exclusively at the library if we could separate that. Indivisible isn't my concern, it's how LE and a public facility interacted with you that is a problem. Have you contacted the ACLU?
Who is the ACLU? I will gladly contact them. The library manager did get back to me. He told me the library prides itself on being able to rent out these rooms at low cost and because the group did so, they were allowed to be selective about attendees. I did ask him, is it normal policy for the police to be called on people that were maybe not aware of this policy? He told me “I agree, I would have preferred if the group had come to library staff before escalating things the way they did.” Apparently we could have stayed on the premise had we gone into the main area of the building? But when I walked up, I specifically heard the cop say that we needed to leave or we would be trespassed. I think LE’s way of de-escalation. So I’m unsure if it falls completely on library staff, the police, or indivisible.
I’m mostly referencing those Reddit articles because it seems indivisible had their eyes on me well before my arrival? At least that’s what I’m assuming? I’m still not having this particular question answered: What exactly I did that was considered disruptive?
I don't know the answer to your question. A LE report might clarify on what grounds they were letting a citizen have another citizen trespassed from a public library, or that particular event, and even if just the event if the library dictates rules how could LE take the words of the event people over the library to take action?
I'm absolutely no expert. Many assumptions such as a public library renting a room out potentially complicate matters.
The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) might be able to clarify their take on this matter. Possibly the state AGs office could provide some additional guidance as well.
I think the anti-police activists have a personal in with the police. Like Jim Stoffer getting private security at CRC meetings with no real threat to his safety.
I will gladly reach out to them too! I didn’t anticipate you would have the answer, you didn’t strike me as the exclusive type. *pun intended*
I’m sure I could request the police report somehow someway….
I’ve never had the best luck with the state AG but that’s also worth a shot. I’m open to all avenues just to get clarification.
I mean it wholeheartedly when I had no intention of coming to disrupt this group. My hope after going to the city council was that we could all find middle ground, and I was really clinging on to that hope only to be told I was not invited.
These leftwing groups all ignore emails and questions when they know they are in the wrong....their motto is....ignore it and it will go away and/or it never happened! Unbelievable hypocrisy!
You did a great job, Jeff, trying to make sense out of this confusion. What fear arose from the Indivisible organizers that they had to ask some - as in discrimination- to leave the meeting before it started? Were their names on a No Entry list, complied from previous encounters, or just that they looked like trouble? The NOLS and Indivisible need to clarify their motives and state upon what basis their decisions were made.
Incredible, and not in a good way. The post about the Peachy Cleaning Company. It’s amusing to me that someone would say they have power over where they spend their money, because I question if they would even hire cleaning services. I question if they even clean. LOL.
What’s so funny about being a business owner of a come to your home cleaning business? It’s a business, it’s work, and it’s providing a service that people want. More than that, it’s someone creating work with a microbusiness and improving people’s homes and lives, including her own. Good for her! She’s willing to do work some people won’t do in their own homes. That’s not laughable, that’s commendable.
Plus, as a licensed business, she collects and pays sales tax, including other required fees for owning a business; she is a contributor to the local economy.
When I see someone demoralizing a home cleaning business owner, they might as well have spit on the child I don’t have. So, guess who I will be promoting in my podcast for Saturday — Peachy Cleaning Company. https://share.google/8Yai8j3WkNWbbmKLb
Aww you made me smile and nod the entire time reading this. You are so sweet! I LOVE what I do, and yes being a contributor to this economy here is not an easy thing! It takes trials and tribulations. The first two years of a business are the hardest. Offering free deep cleans to seniors, veterans, first responders, and hero’s in our communities a couple of times of year via nomination based submissions (has become a latest thing I’ve been trying to offer more of). There is a lot I try to do to give back to the community through what I do, and I take a lot of pride in only using all natural products I know really well, instead of caustic chemical based cleaners. Thank you for acknowledging the fact that running a business isn’t easy but it’s needed in this economy. I help realtors sell homes with what I do, it has a ripple effect. I restore and clean the homes. They sell. Everyone wins. I help hoarders with biohazard cleans, and set them up for success in maintaining their home. I’ve helped people after losses. I’ve helped daycares in the community.
There is a lot more to being a “cleaner” than just what the public eye speculates. I always say, to people like that prefer to naysay: my clients don’t choose me, I choose my clients.
So, I too, had a good chuckle when reading about these pseudo-anonymous characters on a Reddit forum trying to boycott me when I know I am a treasure to many, and I am very selective about where I invest my energy. If the client and I are not a good fit, I don’t keep them and that’s just a personal boundary. I don’t try to just chase the paper trail, I don’t have to. Every business owner has their why’s. When I have clients that really value me, it makes up for all the loses of the ones that don’t or wouldn’t have. It’s a balance, and every business owner providing a service will tell you the same thing: you have to have boundaries, or you’ll head on the road to heavy burn out. That’s why a lot of cleaners quit after only a year of heavy business, it’s not for the faint of heart.
You’re welcome, Tabitha! I’m adding your reply to my podcast article so people can learn more about your business and the asset you are to this community. Keep it up!
What a label for an organization that does nothing but divide.
We must get out and vote....I think most of us can overturn their apple cart and give the people in Clallam County true representation. Let's keep Jake Seegers going until he sits on the Commissioners seat. Vote out the problem of government losing sight of their real purpose. Representation not growing grifters payrolls!
Thanks for another well written post! This organization practices double-speak. It seems that they have been able to walk a fine line for awhile, but now that the spotlight is getting a little too bright, their reactions are revealing their true nature/intentions.
Nothing surprises me regarding the Indivisible group. Have had first hand review of Jamie Porter. This group is everything they are not. Their red riding hood gowns, secretive meetings, No Kings protests & many others, divisive! Who needs them? What’s next KKK hats or Nazi camps and rules? This group is a hate group. If you don’t fit their mold or agree with their selective ways forget it.
Can’t believe 4 police officers responded, seriously? I put nothing past Jamie Porter, she’s a real doozy!
And they accuse Jake of being a carpetbagger!!! Look who is calling the kettle.
That is what always makes me laugh the hardest at them.
Yeah! This group is laughable! ridiculous and obsurd behavior! LOL!
Goes to show ya there heads are really screwed on backwards, lies ,deceit and double speek.
What makes me mad (or hurt, in some cases) is that most of these people make these judgements about me and how I think. I don't care if they don't 'know' me. What I care about is how they hate so much.
When you live in a glass house you should have learned not to throw stones.
I wasnt there so I don't know what happened, but how is it that Chief Smith and the library can defend these potential first amendment violations?
The only option the organizers had, if the police and library were doing their jobs, was to terminate the meeting. They held no power of ownership of a public space to have anyone trespassed absent disruptive behavior.
Thank you, MK. My first thought was why these anti-ICE and defund- the-police activists called the police as their default solution to handling the private vs public issue.
For me that's just how these people do business. I expect their controlling behavior. What I don't understand and find far more concerning is that the library and LE trespassed people from a public space paid for by tax money. I wonder how that police report reads.
They paid to rent it. At that point it isn't a “public space”.
"meeting rooms are free of charge to groups or individuals meeting all of the following criteria... 501(c)(3) that is community based (determination rests with Library Director) Event/Meeting must be educational, cultural, civic, intellectual, charitable, and/or community related and indisputably not commercial in nature" "Meetings/events/programs must be open to all persons who wish to attend." (If it's primarily private or limited in scope does not constitute compliance with this requirement). all other uses... get charged a fee. https://www.nols.org/reserve/
PROVE TO ME that they didn't float in under the "community based" free flag.
In Washington State public libraries are subject to the Open Public Meetings Act and the Public Records Act. So, this should be a simple request... that they must honor.
How do you know this?
Very informative post from the library system on Facebook about the incident from thier perspective.
I think it's a CYA facebook post, and will be removed once there is pushback. I want to see receipts!
I can't even find the post
Great, thank you.
They paid to rent it. At that point it isn't a “public space”.
They paid to rent it. At that point it isn't a “public space”.
Great info Jeff. These people have no intention of being transparent. They hide from the people they are supposedly trying to represent. Their mission is one bald faced lie and we are supposed to trust them. Democracy does NOT flourish behind closed doors it squashes it. Most of the heads at the Invisible did not seem to be qualified by their non voted positions. They can’t even list their background which makes one wonder why. I would boycott their businesses but monkey business is not in my punch list.
They and toughs org. like them are the Wanna-be kings!
Thank you for exposing these hypocrites. My closest friend is a Filipino business owner in PA. Once while she was in Costco, an OWL member of indivisible approached her with a business card and said, “here”.
My friend said “what is this? She said “well, you’re brown, we are here for you”. She said “I’m an American citizen. I’m not worried about my skin color”. That is racist.
Another thing-
A Nextdoor Admin reached out to me last year warned/advised me that “Rae Hesselbach” is having neighbors routinely kicked off the platform and that I might just want to preemptively block her- good advice- the dialogue on ND has been less combative without her. They are a nasty group of people IMHO.
This just goes to show me how blinded they are with their "compassion".
OR miss guided turn your compassion on the real problems this county faces the homeless and the addicted.
Well, that's putting it in a much nicer way... guess I'm jaded by their behavior.
Holy moly.
Thank you, Jeff, for another episode of Peel Back the Onion. We all know what LWV and Indivisible are, don't we? That's been evident since "time immemorial." However, the library allowing such a blatant abuse of stated policy, on top of sponsoring obviously political events and starting to branch out into areas not associated with traditional library functions? And they wonder why so many opposed the recent levy lift. It will be fun to watch the library board of directors answer questions about this meeting kerfuffle. As they say, silence speaks volumes.
So, can we protest and not pay the library levy when we get our next tax bill as members of the public were not allowed in the public library at a public event?
Maybe the ACLU has something to say about this.
The organizers should rewrite their biographies to eliminate the inclusive mumbo jumbo and clearly declare themselves as proud hypocrites.
They have assumed control of non-profits, government positions and now our public library system. Hating America at every location.
Thanks Jeff for your post today. Mumbo jumbo, they learn the key words that pull on the heart strings of those that just follow and don’t think independently. Compassion, equity, inclusion and on and on. They have turned the true meaning into a political statements and word salads. And their statements just drip with hypocrisy as we see their actions.
From the Director of NOLS today:
Hi Jeff,
It’s been brought to my attention that you have written an article at Clallam County Watchdog about an incident at the Port Angeles Library earlier this week. The article asks a lot of questions about the library, but it seems you never actually contacted the library to try to understand the situation fully. NOLS staff have met with and had phone conversations with many of the people involved in Monday’s incident, and would have been happy to answer any questions you had before you published an article.
To clarify some of these issues for community members, the following information will be shared on NOLS social media:
“It’s an exciting time at NOLS with Summer Reading starting today. In addition to encouraging literacy and learning through this uplifting program, staff have been spending time this week to answer a lot of questions about library meeting rooms. This is due to a brief incident with a paid room reservation that happened at the Port Angeles Main Library on Monday, June 8. Since then, NOLS staff has met with and had useful conversations with many of the people involved in order to understand what happened, clarify any misunderstandings, and learn how things could be improved in the future.
The group that reserved the meeting room on Monday evening paid a $50 fee to use the space. That meant the group did not need to meet the policy requirements for groups who want to utilize library meetings rooms for free.
NOLS provides important community meeting spaces at each of its branches, and like all of its services, strives to not charge users any fees for their use. Hundreds of meeting room reservations are made every year utilizing the Library’s policy for free use. To get free use, the group 1) must be a nonprofit or community-based, 2) the use of the room must not be commercial in nature, and 3) the meeting must be open to all who wish to attend. Examples of free use reservations include Beekeepers meetings, a local chess club, and AARP Tax-Aide.
Groups who don’t meet the policy requirements for free use, can pay a fee and still use the meeting rooms. Paying a fee for meeting room use may happen for a number of reasons. For example, a local business can pay to reserve the room for staff meetings, trainings, and job interviews, which allows them to decide who the appropriate meeting attendees are. Another good example is birthday parties. Many families have reserved library meeting rooms for birthday parties and paid the fee so the room is not open to any member of the public during that time.
When the meeting rooms are reserved for events not open to the public, the rest of the library still remains available for everyone to use and there are usually other spaces within the library for multiple groups to meet at the same time.
NOLS ask groups that reserve the meeting room to not state or imply that their event is sponsored, co-sponsored, approved, or endorsed by the Library. Otherwise, the Library has very little control over how a meeting room user advertises its event and cannot monitor advertising for hundreds of non-library sponsored events every year.
We understand that the local blog Clallam County Watchdog published an opinion about this incident with many questions, but NOLS was not contacted by Clallam County Watchdog before the article was published. All community members are encouraged to contact their local Branch Manager or NOLS Administration directly if they have any questions or suggestions about Library policy or services. We welcome conversations about how NOLS can better serve the community. Comment cards are also available in all Library branches and comments can be emailed to the Library Director at Director@nols.org.
If you are interested in reserving a meeting room – for public or private use – you can make a reservation and learn more about the spaces available at www.nols.org/reserve.”
If you have further questions or seek any clarification, please let me know.
Thank you,
Noah Glaude (he/him)
Executive Director | North Olympic Library System
nglaude@nols.org | 360.417.8500 x7717
I'm glad that Director Glaude initiated a response to today's article, but he didn't answer any questions directly associated with the featured incident except to say the group paid a $50 fee. No addressing the attendees who were denied entrance, and who notified law enforcement to intervene in the perceived threat? He needs to do more than sugar it.
If your not the right color you don’t get into a meeting advertised as public, held at a public place paid for by taxpayers.
Hopefully I’ll get a follow up from indivisible. I realized yesterday the email I had for them may have not been accurate, so I sent another letter first thing this morning. If anyone else wants to question Indivisible, this is the proper email of contact according to a member I was speaking to on Reddit:
info@indivisibleportangeles.com
The one I was using was from the virtual text link from signing up via their webpage and have since received zero response.
I am very happy to know you are pursuing your rights and questioning on whose authority was L/E called in to settle the issue. You were misled into thinking the meeting was open to the public, when Indivisible had no intention of it being so. Many questions remain and I hope you get honest answers.
Thank you, I agree that nowadays it seems like you have to jump through all the hoops to get good clarification. Even if it means getting the “run around”
I’m still hoping someone can help me make sense of it and maybe have a little conviction? I’m a pretty reasonable forgiving person, with very low expectations of others. I hope somehow we can finding unification. Crazy to think a lot of the group attendees/members claim to be partisan…
I agree that clarification and doing better next time is the goal. Ask the Chief to do a review of the incident to get a better understanding of what transpired and if another situation occurs would LE respond and take action in the same way, whatever that was.
Could you clarify. Were you trespassed because of disruptive behavior? Did a library official ask LE to have you trespassed or were they ever present and engaged in any discussions before LE was called about proper behavior?
So I was trespassed from my findings…. I stumbled on these just the other day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PortAngeles2/s/485l2xfzfu
One of the members as you’ll notice seems completely cool with being the “fall guy” for indivisible, until I came onto the thread to question him.
I was making a joke, though I get my choice in words may not have been the best. This is just one of the forums I found about me completely BY MISTAKE. I had to do a double take because I was so confused? I didn’t know people had hate forums on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PortAngeles2/s/P9zZsyFFMH
Then from my city comment a few weeks back which was an analogy on our commissioners using the unhoused as “cash cows” while many are still dying…. I had two minutes to express my frustration about expansion of harm reduction. They skewed the context and made it out to be something it wasn’t. Notice bemused_alligators again, indivisible member.
I have been asking what exactly I have done to disrupt these people? It was my first time attending an indivisible meeting. No one can give me an answer. Hopefully after realizing the email mishap someone will get back to me, but again I’m not particularly optimistic considering how I’ve been seemingly dodged, and deflected.
I'm interested in what happened exclusively at the library if we could separate that. Indivisible isn't my concern, it's how LE and a public facility interacted with you that is a problem. Have you contacted the ACLU?
Who is the ACLU? I will gladly contact them. The library manager did get back to me. He told me the library prides itself on being able to rent out these rooms at low cost and because the group did so, they were allowed to be selective about attendees. I did ask him, is it normal policy for the police to be called on people that were maybe not aware of this policy? He told me “I agree, I would have preferred if the group had come to library staff before escalating things the way they did.” Apparently we could have stayed on the premise had we gone into the main area of the building? But when I walked up, I specifically heard the cop say that we needed to leave or we would be trespassed. I think LE’s way of de-escalation. So I’m unsure if it falls completely on library staff, the police, or indivisible.
I’m mostly referencing those Reddit articles because it seems indivisible had their eyes on me well before my arrival? At least that’s what I’m assuming? I’m still not having this particular question answered: What exactly I did that was considered disruptive?
I don't know the answer to your question. A LE report might clarify on what grounds they were letting a citizen have another citizen trespassed from a public library, or that particular event, and even if just the event if the library dictates rules how could LE take the words of the event people over the library to take action?
I'm absolutely no expert. Many assumptions such as a public library renting a room out potentially complicate matters.
The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) might be able to clarify their take on this matter. Possibly the state AGs office could provide some additional guidance as well.
I think the anti-police activists have a personal in with the police. Like Jim Stoffer getting private security at CRC meetings with no real threat to his safety.
I will gladly reach out to them too! I didn’t anticipate you would have the answer, you didn’t strike me as the exclusive type. *pun intended*
I’m sure I could request the police report somehow someway….
I’ve never had the best luck with the state AG but that’s also worth a shot. I’m open to all avenues just to get clarification.
I mean it wholeheartedly when I had no intention of coming to disrupt this group. My hope after going to the city council was that we could all find middle ground, and I was really clinging on to that hope only to be told I was not invited.
These leftwing groups all ignore emails and questions when they know they are in the wrong....their motto is....ignore it and it will go away and/or it never happened! Unbelievable hypocrisy!
You did a great job, Jeff, trying to make sense out of this confusion. What fear arose from the Indivisible organizers that they had to ask some - as in discrimination- to leave the meeting before it started? Were their names on a No Entry list, complied from previous encounters, or just that they looked like trouble? The NOLS and Indivisible need to clarify their motives and state upon what basis their decisions were made.
INDIVISIBLE SQUIRM
"Uh-uh, too much monkey business, too much monkey business
I don't want your botheration, go away, leave me be." 🎵
-Chuck Berry-
Incredible, and not in a good way. The post about the Peachy Cleaning Company. It’s amusing to me that someone would say they have power over where they spend their money, because I question if they would even hire cleaning services. I question if they even clean. LOL.
What’s so funny about being a business owner of a come to your home cleaning business? It’s a business, it’s work, and it’s providing a service that people want. More than that, it’s someone creating work with a microbusiness and improving people’s homes and lives, including her own. Good for her! She’s willing to do work some people won’t do in their own homes. That’s not laughable, that’s commendable.
Plus, as a licensed business, she collects and pays sales tax, including other required fees for owning a business; she is a contributor to the local economy.
When I see someone demoralizing a home cleaning business owner, they might as well have spit on the child I don’t have. So, guess who I will be promoting in my podcast for Saturday — Peachy Cleaning Company. https://share.google/8Yai8j3WkNWbbmKLb
Aww you made me smile and nod the entire time reading this. You are so sweet! I LOVE what I do, and yes being a contributor to this economy here is not an easy thing! It takes trials and tribulations. The first two years of a business are the hardest. Offering free deep cleans to seniors, veterans, first responders, and hero’s in our communities a couple of times of year via nomination based submissions (has become a latest thing I’ve been trying to offer more of). There is a lot I try to do to give back to the community through what I do, and I take a lot of pride in only using all natural products I know really well, instead of caustic chemical based cleaners. Thank you for acknowledging the fact that running a business isn’t easy but it’s needed in this economy. I help realtors sell homes with what I do, it has a ripple effect. I restore and clean the homes. They sell. Everyone wins. I help hoarders with biohazard cleans, and set them up for success in maintaining their home. I’ve helped people after losses. I’ve helped daycares in the community.
There is a lot more to being a “cleaner” than just what the public eye speculates. I always say, to people like that prefer to naysay: my clients don’t choose me, I choose my clients.
So, I too, had a good chuckle when reading about these pseudo-anonymous characters on a Reddit forum trying to boycott me when I know I am a treasure to many, and I am very selective about where I invest my energy. If the client and I are not a good fit, I don’t keep them and that’s just a personal boundary. I don’t try to just chase the paper trail, I don’t have to. Every business owner has their why’s. When I have clients that really value me, it makes up for all the loses of the ones that don’t or wouldn’t have. It’s a balance, and every business owner providing a service will tell you the same thing: you have to have boundaries, or you’ll head on the road to heavy burn out. That’s why a lot of cleaners quit after only a year of heavy business, it’s not for the faint of heart.
Thank you Jen.
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You’re welcome, Tabitha! I’m adding your reply to my podcast article so people can learn more about your business and the asset you are to this community. Keep it up!
Indivisible --- going to the cult vibe.
Good morning Jeff and Doggers,
What a label for an organization that does nothing but divide.
We must get out and vote....I think most of us can overturn their apple cart and give the people in Clallam County true representation. Let's keep Jake Seegers going until he sits on the Commissioners seat. Vote out the problem of government losing sight of their real purpose. Representation not growing grifters payrolls!
The Library is again out of it's lane!
Calming down now ...
Thank you Jeff and all.
Have a great day.