Evidence only matters when it is shared, localized, and measured against outcomes the public can see; otherwise, “ample evidence” becomes a belief, not governance.
Confucius believed that effective governance is deeply intertwined with personal morality. He emphasized the principle of "correcting ourselves before correcting others," meaning leaders must first cultivate their own virtue and integrity.
A lot of what’s being labeled “morality” in this thread is really personal preference dressed up as principle. Actual moral reasoning demands consistency, context, and the discipline to apply the same standard to ourselves that we apply to everyone else. If that standard were applied evenly, a few of the loudest here would look very different
This proverb works in a governance context, but it does not translate to scientific evidence. Evidence is not validated by what the public can see; it is validated by methodology and outcomes. When people say “I see no evidence,” they usually mean “I haven’t seen the kind of evidence I would recognize,” which is not the same as evidence not existing. Most of the work behind public‑health outcomes is invisible to the general public, and you cannot infer it from a walk through town. More tents or more needles are observations, not analysis. Without training, context, or access to the full dataset, none of us are in a position to declare what the evidence does or does not show. That requires people who actually work with the data and understand how to interpret it.
This analysis applies the scientific method to evaluate whether the claims made about evidence, observation, and expertise align with established principles of applied public health science.
Claim 1. “This proverb works in a governance context, but it does not translate to scientific evidence.”
Scientific-method check: Misframed
Why: Public health is an applied science. Governance is not external to science; it is the implementation and evaluation environment where hypotheses are tested against real-world outcomes.
Correction: Scientific evidence does not end at validation; it includes translation, implementation, and outcome assessment.
Claim 2. “Evidence is not validated by what the public can see; it is validated by methodology and outcomes.”
Why: Evidence is validated by methodology, yes—but outcomes are often observable phenomena. Visibility alone does not validate evidence, but observability is essential to outcome evaluation.
Correction: Evidence is not validated by unsystematic observation, but many valid methods rely on systematic, observable outcomes.
Claim 3. “When people say ‘I see no evidence,’ they usually mean ‘I haven’t seen the kind of evidence I would recognize.’”
Scientific-method check: Correct, but incomplete
Why: This accurately describes a cognitive limitation—but the scientific method also requires communication and transparency so evidence can be evaluated by non-experts.
Correction: Persistent non-recognition may signal a failure of translation, not a failure of public reasoning.
Claim 4. “Most of the work behind public-health outcomes is invisible to the general public.”
Scientific-method check: Correct
Why: Many interventions are upstream, preventive, or administrative and not directly visible.
Limitation: Invisible processes still generate observable downstream outcomes, which are essential for hypothesis testing and evaluation.
Claim 5. “You cannot infer it from a walk through town.”
Scientific-method check: Incorrect as stated
Why: Observation is the first step of the scientific method. While a single walk does not establish causality, repeated, structured field observation can legitimately infer presence, change, clustering, and persistence.
Correction: A walk through town does not test hypotheses—but it can generate them.
Claim 6. “More tents or more needles are observations, not analysis.”
Scientific-method check: Incomplete
Why: Observation alone is not analysis—but analysis requires observation. When observations are repeated, documented, contextualized, and triangulated, they become qualitative data, not anecdote.
Correction: Observations are inputs to analysis, not substitutes for it.
Claim 7. “Without training, context, or access to the full dataset, none of us are in a position to declare what the evidence shows.”
Scientific-method check: Correct, but misapplied
Why: Interpreting datasets requires expertise. However, the scientific method does not require non-experts to perform analysis—only to evaluate claims, assumptions, and outcomes.
Correction: Expertise informs conclusions; it does not exempt them from scrutiny.
Claim 8. “That requires people who actually work with the data and understand how to interpret it.”
Scientific-method check: Correct, with limits
Why: Expertise is necessary for interpretation.
Boundary: In applied science, experts must still:
8.1. disclose methods,
8.2. explain conclusions, and
8.3. allow outcomes to test assumptions.
Correction: Scientific authority does not replace accountability.
Scientific Observation: When evaluated collectively, the eight claims reveal a misapplication of scientific rigor. While they correctly defend methodological validation, they incorrectly exclude observation, visibility, and qualitative signals from the evidentiary process.
Specifically, the claims:
*overconstrain evidence to formal quantitative analysis,
*collapse observation into anecdote, and
*conflate scientific authority with epistemic exclusivity.
This pattern does not align with how applied sciences, including public health, actually operate.
Your response is garbage. Observing more tents, trash, druggies on the streets is absolutely one of the indicators. You’ll never get rid of it completely, but it shouldn’t be growing. Your condescending remark that if you don’t deal with the data, then you can’t understand?? Horse puckey. Show me the data. We can read and infer statistics from said data. Your elite liberal views are probably better said somewhere else. Ozias lackey I’m assuming
Nick S. I can't help myself either, I feed the monkey, he takes up unneeded dialogue. If he can't get a response, he throws in just enough "condescending remarks" to irate someone into feeding him. Just watch for his tomorrow comments. It's very predictable.
The commissioners did not answer the last question about frequent instances in which public commenters are disregarded. Here is today's email:
Dear Commissioners,
Encampments along Tumwater Creek keep growing, some on county land, and we’re being told there are about 135 people living there without proper sanitation or services. What’s the actual plan to deal with this, with timelines we can understand, and why does it feel like more time is going into targeting law-abiding citizens than fixing these problems?
Maybe they should hold their next meeting at the homeless site. They would not have to answer ?s because the inhabitants would be passed out, selling drugs, or counting their free goodies we give them. Better rent a port a potty prior to meeting to collect
Your question is fair, and after reviewing the County’s own reports, policies, and budget documents, it deserves a direct answer.
Clallam County has not lacked information about the conditions you are describing. Community Health Assessments, Environmental Health reports, and Public Health surveillance have documented homelessness, sanitation gaps, substance use, and environmental risks for years (Clallam County, 2017, 2024; Clallam County Environmental Health, 2024). These are not newly emerging concerns. They are recurring conditions that have been identified, analyzed, and reflected in County programs and budgeted activities.
Environmental Health reporting, in particular, documents ongoing sanitation concerns, including improper waste disposal and water-quality risks, that fall within the purview of the local health authority (Clallam County Environmental Health, 2024). At the same time, Community Health Assessments have consistently identified homelessness and substance use as persistent public health risks requiring coordinated response (Clallam County, 2017, 2024).
Where the County has fallen short is not primarily in authority or staffing, but in Board-level operational oversight.
Environmental Health, Public Health, and Code Enforcement each have lawful authority to act within their respective domains. However, there is no clearly documented, publicly articulated framework showing how those authorities are coordinated when public health, environmental conditions, and code compliance overlap—particularly on County-owned land and near waterways. Current administrative policies do not require cross-department coordination, escalation thresholds, or routine public reporting when these conditions persist (Clallam County, n.d.-a, n.d.-b).
Under Washington law, responsibility for setting oversight expectations and ensuring coordinated implementation rests with the Board of County Commissioners—not individual departments or staff (Revised Code of Washington [RCW] § 36.32.120). Records used to inform these decisions are presumptively public under the Public Records Act (RCW § 42.56), reinforcing the need for transparency and accountability in how this work is governed.
Layered state and federal requirements—including constitutional protections and public health statutes—do make responses to unsheltered encampments more complex than traditional code enforcement. That complexity, however, does not excuse the absence of clear governance expectations. If anything, it heightens the Board’s responsibility to ensure coordination, transparency, and accountability within those legal constraints.
As an individual commissioner, I cannot direct staff or implement operational changes unilaterally. What I can do—and what I believe the Board must do—is:
1. Formally review, in an open public meeting, how Environmental Health, Public Health, and Code Enforcement authorities are currently being applied and where coordination is breaking down;
2. Examine whether existing administrative policies are sufficient to require cross-department coordination and escalation when documented public health risks persist;
3. Require clearer reporting to the Board and the public on how known conditions are being addressed, using information that is already public under the Public Records Act (RCW § 42.56);
4. Revisit oversight expectations so that recurring risks identified in County reports trigger follow-up and corrective action, not just continued documentation.
The perception that enforcement impacts law-abiding residents more visibly than it addresses unsafe conditions along Tumwater Creek is not unreasonable. It reflects the reality that some enforcement systems are procedurally clear, while others rely on coordination and oversight that the Board has not adequately structured or monitored.
That is a governance issue—and it is one the Board must own and correct.
Did u see PAULA ALLEN racist comment on FB ? Wow, she is a special kinda special!! If you didn't see it I screenshot it. She of course took down immediately.
I live in downtown Sequim. The first picture in the article is one of two carts being moved throughout town by a man who is completely unstable. We have him on our outdoor camera multiple times yelling obscenities, blocking sidewalks, and pantomiming stabbing himself. On Sunday 1/18, I took a picture of where he settled himself on the corner on 5th and Fir St blocking a power box and the sidewalk. He remained there for two days. My husband called Sequim PD three times with our concern being that our son would be walking to school in the morning along with many other kids right past this man. He was told they will not respond as he is not blocking the sidewalk and we should just tell our son to take a different route to school.
So, it appears that the stance of Sequim PD is they will prioritize the actions of unstable, drug addled vagrants before the safety of children.
How about placing a police officer in the vicinity to reassure the public they are safe? We, law abiding, taxpaying citizens, have to fear for our safety?
Any excuse to get paid for not showing up for work will do.This is probably what some people do all day in NGO's they sit around and bullshit each other trying to figure out new fees-fines-new positions-new ways to avoid accountability-transparency-new paid holidays ect ect ect.
*Academic analysis (structural and institutional evidence)
No virtue signaling. No moral grandstanding.
And the “winner”? The system most in need of reform.
The prize wouldn’t be recognition — it would be:
*policy change
*legal correction
*structural redesign
*accountability
That’s the quiet truth behind the joke.
When people talk about an “Oppression Olympics,” they usually imagine ranking suffering or competing for moral status. But by definition, oppression isn’t personal performance — it’s institutional failure.
If such an Olympics existed, it would be uncomfortable for those in power…
because the spotlight wouldn’t be on who’s complaining — it would be on what systems actually do.
No colonizers were harmed in the making of this thought experiment.
It’s really just about stress-testing systems so they don’t snap under real-world pressure. That’s how governments stay sturdy, not fragile.
And a lot of what I’m stress-testing here builds directly on the hard, long-term work you’ve been doing to protect this county from lasting policy harm.
Why "Oppression Olympics" Aligns More with Feeling Preferences
The phenomenon of "Oppression Olympics"—competing over whose marginalization is "worse" or more valid—tends to resonate with or emerge from Feeling-oriented approaches for several reasons:
Subjective and Empathy-Driven Framing
Oppression comparisons are inherently personal and emotional: "My group's pain is deeper," "You can't understand because you haven't lived it," or "This invalidates my experience." This relies on validating individual or group feelings, a hallmark of Feeling types (especially Extraverted Feeling, Fe, which seeks group harmony and consensus on values). Feelers are more likely to center lived experience and emotional authenticity as the metric for legitimacy.
Focus on Harmony and Validation Within Identity Groups
Feelers often aim to create emotional safety and affirmation for marginalized people. In practice, this can manifest as protective in-group dynamics where victimhood narratives strengthen solidarity ("We're the most hurt, so we deserve the most support"). Ranking oppressions can feel like a way to ensure one's group isn't overlooked, driven by a value-based desire for empathy and recognition rather than detached analysis.
Resistance to Impersonal Critique
When someone points out the divisiveness of such competitions (e.g., "This pits allies against each other"), Feelers may perceive it as cold or invalidating—"You're dismissing my pain." This emotional guarding of subjective truth fits Feeling preferences, where harmony and people come before abstract principles.
This is why metaphors require peer review from classy commentators like @DeniseLapio (aka “Slap Happy” Lapio). One minute it’s “don’t feed the animals” from @Jennifer, the next minute they need an intellectual “spanking.” A metaphor that collapses under unintended cultural meaning. Methodologically unsound. Rejected for publication.
Thinkers tend to reject or critique "Oppression Olympics" more readily because:
Emphasis on Objective Logic Over Subjective Experience
Thinkers ask: "Is this comparison measurable? Productive? Consistent?" They view oppression hierarchies as logically flawed—oppressions intersect (intersectionality), aren't zero-sum, and can't be reliably ranked without arbitrary criteria. Competing over suffering seems inefficient and counterproductive to solving systemic problems.
Prioritizing Universal Principles and Solutions
Thinkers lean toward impartial frameworks: "All oppression is bad; let's address root causes with evidence-based strategies." They’re more comfortable critiquing tactics within their own side if they seem illogical, even if it disrupts harmony. The term "Oppression Olympics" itself is often wielded as a logical takedown of emotional infighting.
Lower Tolerance for Emotional Escalation
Thinkers are less swayed by appeals to personal suffering as proof ("My pain trumps your logic"). They might see victimhood competitions as manipulative or immature, favoring debate on facts, data, and outcomes instead.
Not Absolute: Many Feelers reject Oppression Olympics as divisive and advocate intersectional solidarity (e.g., recognizing multiple oppressions without hierarchy). Many Thinkers can be empathetic and acknowledge emotional realities.
Olympic Games — A recurring international multi-sport event grounded in the philosophy of Olympism, intended to place sport at the service of the harmonious development of humankind by promoting education, mutual respect, human dignity, and peaceful coexistence across nations and cultures.
Definition: Oppression
Oppression — A systemic condition in which social, political, economic, or legal structures deny or restrict the rights, dignity, and equal participation of certain groups, resulting in persistent disadvantage, constrained agency, and unequal access to resources and opportunities over time.
References
Binder, D. L. (2012). Olympic values education: Evolution of a pedagogy. Educational Review, 64(3), 275–302.
*Academic context: Examines Olympism as an educational and ethical framework, emphasizing human development, moral education, respect, and intercultural understanding as foundational Olympic values.
International Olympic Committee. (2023). Olympic Charter.
*Institutional and governance context: The Olympic Charter is the authoritative governing document of the Olympic Movement. It explicitly states that the goal of Olympism is to place sport at the service of the harmonious development of humankind and to promote a peaceful society grounded in human dignity and ethical principles.
Marín, M. (2017). Connected by commitment: Oppression and our responsibility to undermine it. Oxford University Press.
*Legal context: Oppression is not defined as a standalone concept but is addressed through enforceable doctrines such as equal protection and disparate impact.
When are these CC Commissioners gonna get it through their thick heads that harm reduction does no good whatsoever. Coupled with the revolving door at the jail. Or better yet not arresting anybody at all. Known felons.
No worries help is on the way. They can have a lottery to see which one of these deviants can reside in the new luxury PBH condos.the problem is they will not know what a toilet is for.
I wonder how many there were here in PA/Sequim 10 years ago. There are quite a few NGO and nonprofit organizations making $$$$ off these people, who actually don't do squat. Follow the money. Somehow these people make it up here from other places "to seek treatment", but they're on the streets instead. I see people smoking whatever it is they do on the sides of the road everytime I go driving. 4PA tries to help but it's a never ending cycle. Our taxes are somehow paying for these vagrants. It's only a matter of time before one or another goes off the deep end and harms and innocent person.
Diane, you are helping! The fact that you recognize and comment on the improprieties happening is a plus. If we can get Jake Seegers voted in, it will be a start to winning back our county. We all shine somewhere in this process and we can all find our niche.
Anyone else look at the dates on these? They all occurred within a little over a week. And it really puts it into perspective when you see them all in one place rather than one here and one there, a real eye opener.
I feel so bad for those living in PA. I'm in Agnew but do all my shopping, etc. in Sequim. I used to be happy about that because it was cleaner and safer but we're starting to inch our way up the PA ladder. If they don't do something now it'll be too late.
My team works in Tumwater Creek each week. The situation is definitely bad and we’ve spent countless hours keeping things as maintained as possible and will continue to do so. In the meantime I will also continue to try to get our city to implement a plan. I’ve made many suggestions and even submitted proposals, but I believe new legislation being debated at the state level is keeping our city in a holding pattern until it is voted on. I would like to offer a quick point of clarification as well. Last week, as I do most weeks, I mapped all the sites in Tumwater from Marine Drive to the highway 101. There are 27 active camps and 8 that have been abandoned. Some are double occupied but most are single. A much more accurate count of people living along the creek would be 30-40. I’m not suggesting this is good, but 135 is drastically over estimated.
Joe was that overly large estimate based on the PIT? Is Clallam using invitational self reporting for PIT like Seattle this year? Do you find some folks who appear homeless/camping who are also known to currently have shelter but keep a site or spot for illicit activities? For example living near some of the PBH group homes(that function as PSH but are rebranded as "transitional" for funding) I see some resident clients regualarly panhandling at Safeway or dragging around belongings amd setting up "camps" in public spots. One PBH resident on state ABD benefits regualrly hikes down to estuary to get high at their "spot" all day- are folks like that stil getting counted as homeless? Are agencies where folks get counted doing by name, and if not what keeps someone from getting counted more than once when NGOs benefit from padding their roles with non by name tracking?
Thank you for all you do. Very disappointing that the city is stalling the ARC planning
That’s part of it. Some camps do become uninhabitable due to environmental conditions (rats, mold, etc) Some people just move on for no clear reason, and some get trespassed by code enforcement.
Joe, I sincerely thank you for doing what you do. Hauling trash, even in the best of conditions is hard work. I can only imagine what your team has to do to get to these sites and fairly clean them up while working in difficult terrain ie slopes, mud, trash but at the same time safety. You are, and the other team members, unsung community volunteer givers who expect no praise, just the personal satisfaction of giving.
Sharp observation on the performnce gap here. 24 proclamations in a year while 135 people camp along a salmon restoration creek without any sanitation plan is a vivid measure of priority failure. Symbolism like this becomes its own form of neglgence when it actively replaces action on infrastructure problems already documented in realtime.
Neural, I would recommend not eating ANY shellfish along the beaches ANYWHERE within any radius that Tumwater dumps into. In fact, I think I lost my appetite for seafood.
JJW, I'm not sure where this is located, above or below the 137 homeless people, but there is a fish hatchery. I'm not even sure if the salmon go up the Tumwater.
I've tried washing, scrubbing, soaking, crackpotting , wackadoodling, rabid views, showing pictures, back ground screens on Zoom ,emails, letters and phone calls...if there is I sure would like to find it. Got a letter Friday froM DRMT..the people who manage the Dungeness. The have point me to NOPLE. I am seeking employment at NOPLE. It is imperative I am hired there.
Thank you. More than likely avoiding this like the plague,since it has to be a huge problem everywhere.Since it’s a needed source of water for whatever goes on there.
I hope that is a statement of approval and not commendation. When I was younger that was the ultimate goal. For most of my life I was either Motel Six or Motel Eight.
I wonder if the local LE agencies keep weekly/monthly/yearly metrics on their calls for service and further break it down by district and dispatch type code for grouping purposes. One would think that they do because how else can you identify trends, hotspots, staffing, etc?
I'll say it again. Mark Ozias lives in a different realm and comes to lay destruction in ours. I can't wait for him to be ousted from his seat of non representation!
Clallam County’s abuse and criminal negligence of it’s taxpayers is as long as your arm. All of this represents our Clallam County Commissioner’s rap sheet.
Aiding and abetting is a legal doctrine related to the guilt of someone who aids or abets (encourages) another person in the commission of a crime.
When homeowners become less important than the homeless:
Human waste, the takeover of sidewalks, parks, store fronts, Harm Reduction dumping, citizen safety, loss of visitor revenue, usury taxation to support homelessness, lawlessness, fear…..
February 5, 2025 Should 'aiding' or 'abetting' a homeless camp be illegal? For this East Bay city, it may be reality
The East Bay city of Fremont is set to vote on a new ordinance that would make it illegal to camp on any street or sidewalk, in any park or on any other public property. But, in an apparent California first, it also would make anyone "CAUSING, PERMITTING, AIDING, ABETTING OR CONCEALING” an illegal encampment guilty of a misdemeanor -- and possibly subject to a $1,000 fine and six months in jail.
Where does the human waste of 135 people go when they live alongside (Tumwater) creek? ANSWER: This is suppose to be investigated by Clallam County Health & Human Services-Environmental Health. Below is how they collect data or certain waterways. I cannot find one for Tumwater Creek.
The first step in our investigation is called “trends monitoring.” Water samples are collected near the mouths of major streams in the watershed to give us an idea of the water quality going into the bay. By looking at the data over time, we can identify areas that are consistently more polluted and need further investigation. Data sets can be made available upon request or review the PIC Annual Reports links to the left.
Teams then work their way upstream collecting water samples to test for fecal coliform (FC) bacteria. Testing for FC is a quick, inexpensive and widely-accepted means to determine if pathogens from human and/or animal waste may be present in the water. When bacteria levels are high, people can get sick from swimming in the bay or eating shellfish harvested in the area.
Using this process of “segmented sampling” we can further narrow the search of pollution sources. At this point we CONTACT OWNERS OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL CONCERNS, additional testing steps, and how they can help. In some instances, tracer dye testing is used to track the interaction of groundwater with creeks and sloughs in the project area.
FINAL WATER QUALITY PROJECT REPORT Clallam County Health & Human Services–Environmental Health
(BELOW IS FROM USGS UNITED STATES GEOLOGICAL SURVEY. THEY HAVE A MONITORING SITE ON TUMWATER CREEK, BUT IT DOES NOT (I couldn’t find it) MONITOR FECAL QUALITY)
Monitoring location Tumwater Creek at Hwy 101 at Port Angeles, WA – USGS-12046700
The United States Geological Survey (USGS) collects water data at monitoring locations across the United States using automated sensors and manual data collection. Each monitoring location has location information that details the location name and identifier, the agency responsible for data collection, and geographic information about the location. Most monitoring locations have data available in one or more of the following categories of water data: continuous data, daily data, field measurements, and discrete sample data.
Don, the Commissioners could probably answer that one but beware, it could involve adding something like this to the Harm Reduction Kit: A WAG BAG. $38.99 per dozen.
If you’re looking for the most sanitary, safe, and environmentally friendly portable toilet solution, you’ve found it. The Original WAG BAG®- GO Anywhere Toilet Kit is the only kit equipped with a NASA-developed gelling agent that traps, deodorizes, and breaks down waste. Each kit comes complete with toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Just use it, seal it, and toss it in the trash. (really? just toss it on the pile of other garbage)
Frankly, the kind people who are cleaning up these sites are putting themselves at risk. I wouldn’t even want to wear the shoes home after being exposed to these “mine fields” of waste products. (least we forget about the dangers of needle pokes)
Disease transmission via pathogens from fecal particles. The common factors in the fecal-oral route can be summarized as five Fs: fingers, flies, fields, fluids, and food. Diseases caused by fecal-oral transmission include typhoid, cholera, polio, hepatitis and many other infections, especially ones that cause diarrhea.
Thanks Jennifer you have presented one more reason why I should not become homeless. The amount of excrement described at some Tumwater herd must be enormous.
who has been squatting around town in PA and having his messes cleaned up for him for years. His female companion also has had her trail of trash cleaned by volunteers for years. Sex offender Robert Keith
also has a white van and often camps with them but I heard his van finally got towed recently. These are some of the folks camping in central PA and along Tumwater.
These are not homes no matter what council wants to call them. Drugs, theft, crime, sex trafficking, rape, assault are all things that happen regularly in encampments
Is some group or individual giving away those fold-up wagons to the homeless? Seems like they all have them. Somebody must be making a mint in sales to TAFY or some other group.
What we are reading is a set of laws applicable to the "Law Abiding" and another set applicable to the "Lawless". The "Law Abiding" are the ones who pay the taxes, elect officials, and expect governance from those officials. Since the "Lawless" are increasing in numbers they must be considered more important in the eyes of our elected officials. I like Jennifer's extract from Confucius. "Effective governance is deeply intertwined with personal morality." If we extend the concept of personal morality and look for applications where this applies we are in a void. Can we expect our elected officials to be moral people? Where are the measures of "virtue and integrity"? All theoretical. Make it simple. 1. Tell the truth. 2. Do what you say you will do. 3. Be a personal example to those you represent.
Good Governance Daily Proverb
Evidence only matters when it is shared, localized, and measured against outcomes the public can see; otherwise, “ample evidence” becomes a belief, not governance.
On the Confucius' Philosophy of Governance
Confucius believed that effective governance is deeply intertwined with personal morality. He emphasized the principle of "correcting ourselves before correcting others," meaning leaders must first cultivate their own virtue and integrity.
Do leaders need to cultivate virtue and integrity if they can bribe other voters to join their party? I am asking for a friend.
A lot of what’s being labeled “morality” in this thread is really personal preference dressed up as principle. Actual moral reasoning demands consistency, context, and the discipline to apply the same standard to ourselves that we apply to everyone else. If that standard were applied evenly, a few of the loudest here would look very different
Powdermonkey I question whether you can deconstruct the meaning of your three sentences.
Monkey, thank you for your eye opening daily comment. I can't wait for tomorrows comment.
This proverb works in a governance context, but it does not translate to scientific evidence. Evidence is not validated by what the public can see; it is validated by methodology and outcomes. When people say “I see no evidence,” they usually mean “I haven’t seen the kind of evidence I would recognize,” which is not the same as evidence not existing. Most of the work behind public‑health outcomes is invisible to the general public, and you cannot infer it from a walk through town. More tents or more needles are observations, not analysis. Without training, context, or access to the full dataset, none of us are in a position to declare what the evidence does or does not show. That requires people who actually work with the data and understand how to interpret it.
This analysis applies the scientific method to evaluate whether the claims made about evidence, observation, and expertise align with established principles of applied public health science.
Claim 1. “This proverb works in a governance context, but it does not translate to scientific evidence.”
Scientific-method check: Misframed
Why: Public health is an applied science. Governance is not external to science; it is the implementation and evaluation environment where hypotheses are tested against real-world outcomes.
Correction: Scientific evidence does not end at validation; it includes translation, implementation, and outcome assessment.
Claim 2. “Evidence is not validated by what the public can see; it is validated by methodology and outcomes.”
Scientific-method check: Partially correct, overextended
Why: Evidence is validated by methodology, yes—but outcomes are often observable phenomena. Visibility alone does not validate evidence, but observability is essential to outcome evaluation.
Correction: Evidence is not validated by unsystematic observation, but many valid methods rely on systematic, observable outcomes.
Claim 3. “When people say ‘I see no evidence,’ they usually mean ‘I haven’t seen the kind of evidence I would recognize.’”
Scientific-method check: Correct, but incomplete
Why: This accurately describes a cognitive limitation—but the scientific method also requires communication and transparency so evidence can be evaluated by non-experts.
Correction: Persistent non-recognition may signal a failure of translation, not a failure of public reasoning.
Claim 4. “Most of the work behind public-health outcomes is invisible to the general public.”
Scientific-method check: Correct
Why: Many interventions are upstream, preventive, or administrative and not directly visible.
Limitation: Invisible processes still generate observable downstream outcomes, which are essential for hypothesis testing and evaluation.
Claim 5. “You cannot infer it from a walk through town.”
Scientific-method check: Incorrect as stated
Why: Observation is the first step of the scientific method. While a single walk does not establish causality, repeated, structured field observation can legitimately infer presence, change, clustering, and persistence.
Correction: A walk through town does not test hypotheses—but it can generate them.
Claim 6. “More tents or more needles are observations, not analysis.”
Scientific-method check: Incomplete
Why: Observation alone is not analysis—but analysis requires observation. When observations are repeated, documented, contextualized, and triangulated, they become qualitative data, not anecdote.
Correction: Observations are inputs to analysis, not substitutes for it.
Claim 7. “Without training, context, or access to the full dataset, none of us are in a position to declare what the evidence shows.”
Scientific-method check: Correct, but misapplied
Why: Interpreting datasets requires expertise. However, the scientific method does not require non-experts to perform analysis—only to evaluate claims, assumptions, and outcomes.
Correction: Expertise informs conclusions; it does not exempt them from scrutiny.
Claim 8. “That requires people who actually work with the data and understand how to interpret it.”
Scientific-method check: Correct, with limits
Why: Expertise is necessary for interpretation.
Boundary: In applied science, experts must still:
8.1. disclose methods,
8.2. explain conclusions, and
8.3. allow outcomes to test assumptions.
Correction: Scientific authority does not replace accountability.
Scientific Observation: When evaluated collectively, the eight claims reveal a misapplication of scientific rigor. While they correctly defend methodological validation, they incorrectly exclude observation, visibility, and qualitative signals from the evidentiary process.
Specifically, the claims:
*overconstrain evidence to formal quantitative analysis,
*collapse observation into anecdote, and
*conflate scientific authority with epistemic exclusivity.
This pattern does not align with how applied sciences, including public health, actually operate.
Dr. Sarah will that be on the final exam?
@SteveO, No exam. In public policy, the test is whether the analysis holds up when applied—and whether the outcomes improve. ;-)
I wish my brain worked like yours. Thank you.
Your response is garbage. Observing more tents, trash, druggies on the streets is absolutely one of the indicators. You’ll never get rid of it completely, but it shouldn’t be growing. Your condescending remark that if you don’t deal with the data, then you can’t understand?? Horse puckey. Show me the data. We can read and infer statistics from said data. Your elite liberal views are probably better said somewhere else. Ozias lackey I’m assuming
Nick S. I can't help myself either, I feed the monkey, he takes up unneeded dialogue. If he can't get a response, he throws in just enough "condescending remarks" to irate someone into feeding him. Just watch for his tomorrow comments. It's very predictable.
What type of new language metaphors are these?
I don't understand the ideological argument between these two but Jennifer has never made any claim that I could reject.
Powdermonkey, what is quantifiable with any of the programs? Do enlighten us with “ data”.
The commissioners did not answer the last question about frequent instances in which public commenters are disregarded. Here is today's email:
Dear Commissioners,
Encampments along Tumwater Creek keep growing, some on county land, and we’re being told there are about 135 people living there without proper sanitation or services. What’s the actual plan to deal with this, with timelines we can understand, and why does it feel like more time is going into targeting law-abiding citizens than fixing these problems?
All three commissioners can be reached by contacting the Clerk of the Board at: loni.gores@clallamcountywa.gov
Maybe they should hold their next meeting at the homeless site. They would not have to answer ?s because the inhabitants would be passed out, selling drugs, or counting their free goodies we give them. Better rent a port a potty prior to meeting to collect
all of the commissioners BS.
Or they could just walk across the street to Safeway.
3rd street health dept, heck there is already a gathering there every weekend
Sarah, that was a good one!
Dear Constituent,
Your question is fair, and after reviewing the County’s own reports, policies, and budget documents, it deserves a direct answer.
Clallam County has not lacked information about the conditions you are describing. Community Health Assessments, Environmental Health reports, and Public Health surveillance have documented homelessness, sanitation gaps, substance use, and environmental risks for years (Clallam County, 2017, 2024; Clallam County Environmental Health, 2024). These are not newly emerging concerns. They are recurring conditions that have been identified, analyzed, and reflected in County programs and budgeted activities.
Environmental Health reporting, in particular, documents ongoing sanitation concerns, including improper waste disposal and water-quality risks, that fall within the purview of the local health authority (Clallam County Environmental Health, 2024). At the same time, Community Health Assessments have consistently identified homelessness and substance use as persistent public health risks requiring coordinated response (Clallam County, 2017, 2024).
Where the County has fallen short is not primarily in authority or staffing, but in Board-level operational oversight.
Environmental Health, Public Health, and Code Enforcement each have lawful authority to act within their respective domains. However, there is no clearly documented, publicly articulated framework showing how those authorities are coordinated when public health, environmental conditions, and code compliance overlap—particularly on County-owned land and near waterways. Current administrative policies do not require cross-department coordination, escalation thresholds, or routine public reporting when these conditions persist (Clallam County, n.d.-a, n.d.-b).
Under Washington law, responsibility for setting oversight expectations and ensuring coordinated implementation rests with the Board of County Commissioners—not individual departments or staff (Revised Code of Washington [RCW] § 36.32.120). Records used to inform these decisions are presumptively public under the Public Records Act (RCW § 42.56), reinforcing the need for transparency and accountability in how this work is governed.
Layered state and federal requirements—including constitutional protections and public health statutes—do make responses to unsheltered encampments more complex than traditional code enforcement. That complexity, however, does not excuse the absence of clear governance expectations. If anything, it heightens the Board’s responsibility to ensure coordination, transparency, and accountability within those legal constraints.
As an individual commissioner, I cannot direct staff or implement operational changes unilaterally. What I can do—and what I believe the Board must do—is:
1. Formally review, in an open public meeting, how Environmental Health, Public Health, and Code Enforcement authorities are currently being applied and where coordination is breaking down;
2. Examine whether existing administrative policies are sufficient to require cross-department coordination and escalation when documented public health risks persist;
3. Require clearer reporting to the Board and the public on how known conditions are being addressed, using information that is already public under the Public Records Act (RCW § 42.56);
4. Revisit oversight expectations so that recurring risks identified in County reports trigger follow-up and corrective action, not just continued documentation.
The perception that enforcement impacts law-abiding residents more visibly than it addresses unsafe conditions along Tumwater Creek is not unreasonable. It reflects the reality that some enforcement systems are procedurally clear, while others rely on coordination and oversight that the Board has not adequately structured or monitored.
That is a governance issue—and it is one the Board must own and correct.
Respectfully,
Commissioner
Clallam County Board of Commissioners
References
Clallam County. (2017). Community health assessment: Forces of change and local public health systems assessment. https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/3410/Clallam-County-Community-Health-Assessment---Forces-of-Change-and-Local-Public-Health-Systems-Assessments
Clallam County. (2022). 2022 Clallam county community health assessment.
https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/1865/Data-and-Assessment
https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/20545/Community-Health-Assessment-2022
Clallam County. (2025). 2026 adopted budget.
https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/1943/2026-Adopted-Budget
Clallam County. (n.d.-a). Code enforcement.
https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/179/Code-Enforcement
Clallam County. (n.d.-b). County administrative policies.
https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/207/County-Administrative-Policies
Clallam County Environmental Health. (2024). Environmental health annual report.
https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1338
Martin v. City of Boise, 920 F.3d 584 (9th Cir. 2019).
https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/04/01/15-35845.pdf
Revised Code of Washington § 36.32.120. (n.d.). Powers of county legislative authorities.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=36.32.120
Revised Code of Washington § 42.30. (n.d.). Open Public Meetings Act.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=42.30
Revised Code of Washington § 42.56. (n.d.). Public Records Act.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=42.56
Revised Code of Washington § 70.05. (n.d.). Local health departments—Powers and duties.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=70.05
Revised Code of Washington § 90.48. (n.d.). Water pollution control.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=90.48
Washington State Attorney General’s Office. (n.d.). Open government resource manual.
https://www.atg.wa.gov/open-government-resource-manual
Did u see PAULA ALLEN racist comment on FB ? Wow, she is a special kinda special!! If you didn't see it I screenshot it. She of course took down immediately.
I received it from a couple people. Thank you for keeping an eye out.
I live in downtown Sequim. The first picture in the article is one of two carts being moved throughout town by a man who is completely unstable. We have him on our outdoor camera multiple times yelling obscenities, blocking sidewalks, and pantomiming stabbing himself. On Sunday 1/18, I took a picture of where he settled himself on the corner on 5th and Fir St blocking a power box and the sidewalk. He remained there for two days. My husband called Sequim PD three times with our concern being that our son would be walking to school in the morning along with many other kids right past this man. He was told they will not respond as he is not blocking the sidewalk and we should just tell our son to take a different route to school.
So, it appears that the stance of Sequim PD is they will prioritize the actions of unstable, drug addled vagrants before the safety of children.
Just disgraceful!
How about placing a police officer in the vicinity to reassure the public they are safe? We, law abiding, taxpaying citizens, have to fear for our safety?
Megan, " we should just tell our son to take a different route to school"
Ta dah, problems solved, no worries. I'm glad you shared this.
Any excuse to get paid for not showing up for work will do.This is probably what some people do all day in NGO's they sit around and bullshit each other trying to figure out new fees-fines-new positions-new ways to avoid accountability-transparency-new paid holidays ect ect ect.
Which games are going to be played in the Oppression Olympics...
If we took the definitions seriously, an “Oppression Olympics” wouldn’t pit people or groups against each other at all.
The events wouldn’t be about identities — they’d be about systems.
Each “event” would examine how institutions actually operate:
*Rights Denial Sprint
How quickly and systematically rights are restricted through laws, regulations, or policy choices.
*Access Barrier Course
The obstacles built into systems that affect access to housing, healthcare, education, voting, or employment.
*Disparate Impact Review
What happens when policies that look neutral on paper produce very unequal outcomes in practice.
*Accountability Relay
How responsibility gets passed around, delayed, or buried across agencies to avoid correction.
*Redress & Remedy Long Jump
How far someone can realistically get when they try to appeal, challenge, or fix a harm.
Who’s “competing”? Not people. Not communities.
The focus would be on:
*laws
*agencies
*regulatory frameworks
*institutional practices
*governance structures
Scoring wouldn’t be symbolic. It would be based on:
*persistent unequal outcomes
*constrained agency
*failure to meet stated legal or policy obligations
Judging wouldn’t be a popularity contest:
*Legal standards (courts, equal protection, disparate impact)
*Policy commitments (rights, governance obligations)
*Academic analysis (structural and institutional evidence)
No virtue signaling. No moral grandstanding.
And the “winner”? The system most in need of reform.
The prize wouldn’t be recognition — it would be:
*policy change
*legal correction
*structural redesign
*accountability
That’s the quiet truth behind the joke.
When people talk about an “Oppression Olympics,” they usually imagine ranking suffering or competing for moral status. But by definition, oppression isn’t personal performance — it’s institutional failure.
If such an Olympics existed, it would be uncomfortable for those in power…
because the spotlight wouldn’t be on who’s complaining — it would be on what systems actually do.
I liked "Accountability Relay."
excellent point
Heretofore the “European Colonizer Oppression Olympics.”
Might as well wipe out the provision in the PNP treaty about indians releasing the slaves they owned.
..Thats really good stuff Dr. Sarah...You're pelt requires a Race Bannon to be assigned to guard you....You are "crackpot" and "wackadoodle proof."
I tried hard to reach the Commissioners in the Cole Event Center.....what systems punishing colonizers actually does...is break governments...
Thanks, John 🙂
No colonizers were harmed in the making of this thought experiment.
It’s really just about stress-testing systems so they don’t snap under real-world pressure. That’s how governments stay sturdy, not fragile.
And a lot of what I’m stress-testing here builds directly on the hard, long-term work you’ve been doing to protect this county from lasting policy harm.
Why "Oppression Olympics" Aligns More with Feeling Preferences
The phenomenon of "Oppression Olympics"—competing over whose marginalization is "worse" or more valid—tends to resonate with or emerge from Feeling-oriented approaches for several reasons:
Subjective and Empathy-Driven Framing
Oppression comparisons are inherently personal and emotional: "My group's pain is deeper," "You can't understand because you haven't lived it," or "This invalidates my experience." This relies on validating individual or group feelings, a hallmark of Feeling types (especially Extraverted Feeling, Fe, which seeks group harmony and consensus on values). Feelers are more likely to center lived experience and emotional authenticity as the metric for legitimacy.
Focus on Harmony and Validation Within Identity Groups
Feelers often aim to create emotional safety and affirmation for marginalized people. In practice, this can manifest as protective in-group dynamics where victimhood narratives strengthen solidarity ("We're the most hurt, so we deserve the most support"). Ranking oppressions can feel like a way to ensure one's group isn't overlooked, driven by a value-based desire for empathy and recognition rather than detached analysis.
Resistance to Impersonal Critique
When someone points out the divisiveness of such competitions (e.g., "This pits allies against each other"), Feelers may perceive it as cold or invalidating—"You're dismissing my pain." This emotional guarding of subjective truth fits Feeling preferences, where harmony and people come before abstract principles.
I don't want to mention names but...They tend to climb around in trees.
This is why metaphors require peer review from classy commentators like @DeniseLapio (aka “Slap Happy” Lapio). One minute it’s “don’t feed the animals” from @Jennifer, the next minute they need an intellectual “spanking.” A metaphor that collapses under unintended cultural meaning. Methodologically unsound. Rejected for publication.
Why It Typically Doesn't Fit Thinking Preferences
Thinkers tend to reject or critique "Oppression Olympics" more readily because:
Emphasis on Objective Logic Over Subjective Experience
Thinkers ask: "Is this comparison measurable? Productive? Consistent?" They view oppression hierarchies as logically flawed—oppressions intersect (intersectionality), aren't zero-sum, and can't be reliably ranked without arbitrary criteria. Competing over suffering seems inefficient and counterproductive to solving systemic problems.
Prioritizing Universal Principles and Solutions
Thinkers lean toward impartial frameworks: "All oppression is bad; let's address root causes with evidence-based strategies." They’re more comfortable critiquing tactics within their own side if they seem illogical, even if it disrupts harmony. The term "Oppression Olympics" itself is often wielded as a logical takedown of emotional infighting.
Lower Tolerance for Emotional Escalation
Thinkers are less swayed by appeals to personal suffering as proof ("My pain trumps your logic"). They might see victimhood competitions as manipulative or immature, favoring debate on facts, data, and outcomes instead.
There is hope:
Not Absolute: Many Feelers reject Oppression Olympics as divisive and advocate intersectional solidarity (e.g., recognizing multiple oppressions without hierarchy). Many Thinkers can be empathetic and acknowledge emotional realities.
Definition: Olympic Games
Olympic Games — A recurring international multi-sport event grounded in the philosophy of Olympism, intended to place sport at the service of the harmonious development of humankind by promoting education, mutual respect, human dignity, and peaceful coexistence across nations and cultures.
Definition: Oppression
Oppression — A systemic condition in which social, political, economic, or legal structures deny or restrict the rights, dignity, and equal participation of certain groups, resulting in persistent disadvantage, constrained agency, and unequal access to resources and opportunities over time.
References
Binder, D. L. (2012). Olympic values education: Evolution of a pedagogy. Educational Review, 64(3), 275–302.
https://doi.org/10.1080/00131911.2012.676539
*Academic context: Examines Olympism as an educational and ethical framework, emphasizing human development, moral education, respect, and intercultural understanding as foundational Olympic values.
International Olympic Committee. (2023). Olympic Charter.
https://olympics.com/ioc/olympic-charter
*Institutional and governance context: The Olympic Charter is the authoritative governing document of the Olympic Movement. It explicitly states that the goal of Olympism is to place sport at the service of the harmonious development of humankind and to promote a peaceful society grounded in human dignity and ethical principles.
Marín, M. (2017). Connected by commitment: Oppression and our responsibility to undermine it. Oxford University Press.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/E9B5F5B3239A98CA21A06E4B43A7AB68/S2753906700002436a.pdf
*Academic context: Oppression is theorized as a structural form of injustice embedded in social institutions and power relations.
United Nations General Assembly. (1948). Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
*Policy and governance context: Oppression is understood as the systematic denial of human rights and equal dignity.
Washington v. Davis, 426 U.S. 229 (1976).
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/426/229/
*Legal context: Oppression is not defined as a standalone concept but is addressed through enforceable doctrines such as equal protection and disparate impact.
Like the 32 hour work week!
When are these CC Commissioners gonna get it through their thick heads that harm reduction does no good whatsoever. Coupled with the revolving door at the jail. Or better yet not arresting anybody at all. Known felons.
This makes me sick!
No worries help is on the way. They can have a lottery to see which one of these deviants can reside in the new luxury PBH condos.the problem is they will not know what a toilet is for.
jedj, you silly, a toilet is for flushing drugs IF THE POLICE EVER ARE ALLOWED TO SHOW UP AND ENFORCE LAWS.
I wonder how many there were here in PA/Sequim 10 years ago. There are quite a few NGO and nonprofit organizations making $$$$ off these people, who actually don't do squat. Follow the money. Somehow these people make it up here from other places "to seek treatment", but they're on the streets instead. I see people smoking whatever it is they do on the sides of the road everytime I go driving. 4PA tries to help but it's a never ending cycle. Our taxes are somehow paying for these vagrants. It's only a matter of time before one or another goes off the deep end and harms and innocent person.
they lose jobs and funding if the problem gets better. Only growth industry in PA is homeless/addiction industry
You're absolutely correct. It's a damn shame, but most blue sanctuary states are the same.
Diane, wouldn't it be nice if Clallam County made headlines "THE COUNTY THAT FOUGHT BACK". Actually, I really think we can!
I'd love to help
Diane, you are helping! The fact that you recognize and comment on the improprieties happening is a plus. If we can get Jake Seegers voted in, it will be a start to winning back our county. We all shine somewhere in this process and we can all find our niche.
Anyone else look at the dates on these? They all occurred within a little over a week. And it really puts it into perspective when you see them all in one place rather than one here and one there, a real eye opener.
Just a typical week living in central PA sadly
I feel so bad for those living in PA. I'm in Agnew but do all my shopping, etc. in Sequim. I used to be happy about that because it was cleaner and safer but we're starting to inch our way up the PA ladder. If they don't do something now it'll be too late.
My team works in Tumwater Creek each week. The situation is definitely bad and we’ve spent countless hours keeping things as maintained as possible and will continue to do so. In the meantime I will also continue to try to get our city to implement a plan. I’ve made many suggestions and even submitted proposals, but I believe new legislation being debated at the state level is keeping our city in a holding pattern until it is voted on. I would like to offer a quick point of clarification as well. Last week, as I do most weeks, I mapped all the sites in Tumwater from Marine Drive to the highway 101. There are 27 active camps and 8 that have been abandoned. Some are double occupied but most are single. A much more accurate count of people living along the creek would be 30-40. I’m not suggesting this is good, but 135 is drastically over estimated.
Joe was that overly large estimate based on the PIT? Is Clallam using invitational self reporting for PIT like Seattle this year? Do you find some folks who appear homeless/camping who are also known to currently have shelter but keep a site or spot for illicit activities? For example living near some of the PBH group homes(that function as PSH but are rebranded as "transitional" for funding) I see some resident clients regualarly panhandling at Safeway or dragging around belongings amd setting up "camps" in public spots. One PBH resident on state ABD benefits regualrly hikes down to estuary to get high at their "spot" all day- are folks like that stil getting counted as homeless? Are agencies where folks get counted doing by name, and if not what keeps someone from getting counted more than once when NGOs benefit from padding their roles with non by name tracking?
Thank you for all you do. Very disappointing that the city is stalling the ARC planning
I’m not certain where the 135 number came from. And yes…I’m aware of people that have more than one camp in various locations.
Joe Question: Do they abandon the camps because they become too contaminated and then move on to contaminate again?
That’s part of it. Some camps do become uninhabitable due to environmental conditions (rats, mold, etc) Some people just move on for no clear reason, and some get trespassed by code enforcement.
Joe, I sincerely thank you for doing what you do. Hauling trash, even in the best of conditions is hard work. I can only imagine what your team has to do to get to these sites and fairly clean them up while working in difficult terrain ie slopes, mud, trash but at the same time safety. You are, and the other team members, unsung community volunteer givers who expect no praise, just the personal satisfaction of giving.
Thanks to modern medicine this group constantly "moves on" to contaminate again.
Sharp observation on the performnce gap here. 24 proclamations in a year while 135 people camp along a salmon restoration creek without any sanitation plan is a vivid measure of priority failure. Symbolism like this becomes its own form of neglgence when it actively replaces action on infrastructure problems already documented in realtime.
Neural, I would recommend not eating ANY shellfish along the beaches ANYWHERE within any radius that Tumwater dumps into. In fact, I think I lost my appetite for seafood.
Good point!
Thanks. Jennifer I suddenly feel nauseous.
The elk don't matter the salmon don't matter. The Oppression Olympics are the only thing that matters.
John, is there a way for fisheries to become involved in this to apply pressure.
JJW, I'm not sure where this is located, above or below the 137 homeless people, but there is a fish hatchery. I'm not even sure if the salmon go up the Tumwater.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/management/hatcheries/facilities/tumwater-falls
Tumwater Falls Hatchery | Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife
Chum are rugged buggers. Its the silvers and kings we need. I have a plan there. They just don't want to abandon the wild "riparian" model.
If the subject descends upon cuisine the taste of salmon is superior to the flesh of a filthy homeless person. I vote for the salmon dinner.
I've tried washing, scrubbing, soaking, crackpotting , wackadoodling, rabid views, showing pictures, back ground screens on Zoom ,emails, letters and phone calls...if there is I sure would like to find it. Got a letter Friday froM DRMT..the people who manage the Dungeness. The have point me to NOPLE. I am seeking employment at NOPLE. It is imperative I am hired there.
Thank you. More than likely avoiding this like the plague,since it has to be a huge problem everywhere.Since it’s a needed source of water for whatever goes on there.
Have you stayed in a Holiday Inn Express?
You can't drift into the hotel arena like that because I have been fined by the Moral league for my improper and overuse of the word "Curry.'
I hope that is a statement of approval and not commendation. When I was younger that was the ultimate goal. For most of my life I was either Motel Six or Motel Eight.
I wonder if the local LE agencies keep weekly/monthly/yearly metrics on their calls for service and further break it down by district and dispatch type code for grouping purposes. One would think that they do because how else can you identify trends, hotspots, staffing, etc?
Good morning Jeff,
I'll say it again. Mark Ozias lives in a different realm and comes to lay destruction in ours. I can't wait for him to be ousted from his seat of non representation!
Have a great day!
Clallam County’s abuse and criminal negligence of it’s taxpayers is as long as your arm. All of this represents our Clallam County Commissioner’s rap sheet.
Aiding and abetting is a legal doctrine related to the guilt of someone who aids or abets (encourages) another person in the commission of a crime.
rap sheet
noun
1. a criminal record
When homeowners become less important than the homeless:
Human waste, the takeover of sidewalks, parks, store fronts, Harm Reduction dumping, citizen safety, loss of visitor revenue, usury taxation to support homelessness, lawlessness, fear…..
https://abc7news.com/post/homeless-crisis-city-fremont-looking-make-aiding-abetting-unhoused-campsites-illegal/15870794/
February 5, 2025 Should 'aiding' or 'abetting' a homeless camp be illegal? For this East Bay city, it may be reality
The East Bay city of Fremont is set to vote on a new ordinance that would make it illegal to camp on any street or sidewalk, in any park or on any other public property. But, in an apparent California first, it also would make anyone "CAUSING, PERMITTING, AIDING, ABETTING OR CONCEALING” an illegal encampment guilty of a misdemeanor -- and possibly subject to a $1,000 fine and six months in jail.
Where does the human waste of 135 people go when they live alongside (Tumwater) creek? ANSWER: This is suppose to be investigated by Clallam County Health & Human Services-Environmental Health. Below is how they collect data or certain waterways. I cannot find one for Tumwater Creek.
https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/1413/Trends-Monitoring-Data
How do we investigate pollution levels?
The first step in our investigation is called “trends monitoring.” Water samples are collected near the mouths of major streams in the watershed to give us an idea of the water quality going into the bay. By looking at the data over time, we can identify areas that are consistently more polluted and need further investigation. Data sets can be made available upon request or review the PIC Annual Reports links to the left.
Teams then work their way upstream collecting water samples to test for fecal coliform (FC) bacteria. Testing for FC is a quick, inexpensive and widely-accepted means to determine if pathogens from human and/or animal waste may be present in the water. When bacteria levels are high, people can get sick from swimming in the bay or eating shellfish harvested in the area.
Using this process of “segmented sampling” we can further narrow the search of pollution sources. At this point we CONTACT OWNERS OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL CONCERNS, additional testing steps, and how they can help. In some instances, tracer dye testing is used to track the interaction of groundwater with creeks and sloughs in the project area.
https://www.clallamcountywa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/26374/Final-PIC-Report-2023-2026
FINAL WATER QUALITY PROJECT REPORT Clallam County Health & Human Services–Environmental Health
(BELOW IS FROM USGS UNITED STATES GEOLOGICAL SURVEY. THEY HAVE A MONITORING SITE ON TUMWATER CREEK, BUT IT DOES NOT (I couldn’t find it) MONITOR FECAL QUALITY)
https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/USGS-12046700/#showFieldMeasurements=false
Monitoring location Tumwater Creek at Hwy 101 at Port Angeles, WA – USGS-12046700
The United States Geological Survey (USGS) collects water data at monitoring locations across the United States using automated sensors and manual data collection. Each monitoring location has location information that details the location name and identifier, the agency responsible for data collection, and geographic information about the location. Most monitoring locations have data available in one or more of the following categories of water data: continuous data, daily data, field measurements, and discrete sample data.
Perhaps fecal coliform is an endangered species inside homeless drug addicts. ‘Ya think?
Don, the Commissioners could probably answer that one but beware, it could involve adding something like this to the Harm Reduction Kit: A WAG BAG. $38.99 per dozen.
https://cleanwaste.com/product/the-original-wag-bag/
If you’re looking for the most sanitary, safe, and environmentally friendly portable toilet solution, you’ve found it. The Original WAG BAG®- GO Anywhere Toilet Kit is the only kit equipped with a NASA-developed gelling agent that traps, deodorizes, and breaks down waste. Each kit comes complete with toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Just use it, seal it, and toss it in the trash. (really? just toss it on the pile of other garbage)
I'll be laughing at this one all day, Jennifer!
That offers all of us hope Denise Lapio. ( I am a fan ).
Frankly, the kind people who are cleaning up these sites are putting themselves at risk. I wouldn’t even want to wear the shoes home after being exposed to these “mine fields” of waste products. (least we forget about the dangers of needle pokes)
Disease transmission via pathogens from fecal particles. The common factors in the fecal-oral route can be summarized as five Fs: fingers, flies, fields, fluids, and food. Diseases caused by fecal-oral transmission include typhoid, cholera, polio, hepatitis and many other infections, especially ones that cause diarrhea.
Thanks Jennifer you have presented one more reason why I should not become homeless. The amount of excrement described at some Tumwater herd must be enormous.
What caused this type of genetic failure? I don't have an explanation for any of it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=olympic+games+song
I saw fecal coliform play at the Paramount in 1979.
Thank you John, I needed that, I was getting myself worked up. How about The Blob playing at Tumwater Creek?
Blob one or two?
Was the play excremental?
Instrumental.
Sad what is happening in this county! Thanks Jeff for pointing this out
Loved your interview
The white van in the photo is sex offender Jacob Frederick https://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=1445117&AgencyID=54528
who has been squatting around town in PA and having his messes cleaned up for him for years. His female companion also has had her trail of trash cleaned by volunteers for years. Sex offender Robert Keith
https://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=1065403&AgencyID=54528
also has a white van and often camps with them but I heard his van finally got towed recently. These are some of the folks camping in central PA and along Tumwater.
These are not homes no matter what council wants to call them. Drugs, theft, crime, sex trafficking, rape, assault are all things that happen regularly in encampments
And they are NOT the 'Homeless' that need homes! These people need treatment. Abstinence. Mental health evaluations and/or jail time.
Is some group or individual giving away those fold-up wagons to the homeless? Seems like they all have them. Somebody must be making a mint in sales to TAFY or some other group.
What we are reading is a set of laws applicable to the "Law Abiding" and another set applicable to the "Lawless". The "Law Abiding" are the ones who pay the taxes, elect officials, and expect governance from those officials. Since the "Lawless" are increasing in numbers they must be considered more important in the eyes of our elected officials. I like Jennifer's extract from Confucius. "Effective governance is deeply intertwined with personal morality." If we extend the concept of personal morality and look for applications where this applies we are in a void. Can we expect our elected officials to be moral people? Where are the measures of "virtue and integrity"? All theoretical. Make it simple. 1. Tell the truth. 2. Do what you say you will do. 3. Be a personal example to those you represent.