I say let’s do better, one step ahead and advocate for free insulin for people who are productive adults, who want to be well & need drugs to stay alive. Let’s do harm reduction and make it easier for them & provide free needles, alcohol wipes, testing kits, etc., helping those people who are & want to be productive adults in society. Or should we be providing more sugar products to diabetics instead to make it easier for them? Same stupid philosophy of these drug activists…..dumb and dumber!
Is giving them the drugs next on her list? Wonder if she keeps track of how many of her customers have died after using her supplies? Or got in an acident. Or comitted a crime.
We want to believe 'they' are capable of changing their minds about important issues...they aren't because it's not 'their mind' to begin with...we all have been subject to 'programming', that's why they call it Progamming but the last 3 generations have especially been overtaken by propaganda at every turn.
Not Every One, but enough, obviously to 'get the job done.'
All we can do is try to raise general awareness but we cannot know the outcome of our efforts.
I believe we are the quiet, naive, well meaning Majority but the controller shave control over all the important levers of power.
Which ever way it goes, it ain't going to be pretty!😊
YEAH, I lived in B.C. for 11 years...they are even stupider and more naive/ignorant than Americans...of course they have been under the 'protection of the crown' from the beginning so 'big government' has the same effect wherever it rears it's draconian head!😝
This question was not easy for me to answer as I don't believe drug supplies should be distributed-period. To help destroy someone in hopes they will seek help makes absolutely no sense. And to spend time and money doing it makes no sense either. Is it wrong to use illegal drugs? Is it right to support a wrong? What in the world is wrong with US? Have we lost all common sense?
Why have drug programs or alcohol 12-step programs worked in the past, with verifiably proven statistics? Under her stupid philosophy statistics prove more and more drug use, deaths, & homelessness aren’t working so why are our leaders listening and being allowed to be led by dysfunctional liberal activists who have accomplished nothing except to make drug use easier over all? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WHOLE DISFUNCTIONAL PICTURE? Where is the push for what has actually worked in the past? Why can’t these disfunctional activists see not everyone chooses to be saved from drug abuse. They are nothing more than government funded drug dealers & if they could they would provide the drugs for them too.
What worked in the past (12 step) has maybe a 12% to 15% success rate. Which is good if your part of the success percentage. What I see that gets ignored is some people are just lost. They suffer a chemical imbalance and are incapable of critical thinking. They don't have it. Some had it and lost it. Others never had it. A percentage of folks are plain self destructive. Its always been this way. Some can be helped others refuse. Watching this over the last 25 years I've come to believe that the best we can do is make treatment available. Not court ordered. No harm reduction. Just have beds ready at a moments notice and after treatment "Recovery Residences" for folks to transition like www.oxfordhouse.org . Maybe Elon will make headway with a neural implant. I would also be okay with continuing research on psychotropic therapies. As with any budget you pick your priorities. I don't believe we are getting a good value for the dollars spent.
12 step programs work but there is no money in it. Unless you own a residential treatment facility, which sounds better than luxury condos for homeless.
Its hilarious to hear our leaders even say the words "tourism" without picturing some poor older couple from Wyoming that can't even find a place to use a bathroom in town without being exposed to the free drug mutants.
This is what we get when we live in a community that is asleep. Then we elect people that are so called leaders who are also asleep at the wheel.
“Krusheav (sp) was correct when he said Communism would destroy us from within.
And now this is what the County Commissioners are offering Juvenile Services an agency that offers Harm Reduction ( Peninsula Behavioral Health)
Now they’re going to get our kids.
We continue to fund agencies that provide and tell youth and adults who are addicted also It’s okay to use a little drugs - it wouldn’t do harm” just a little.
We will loose our children next if we continue to think this plan or model is okay. Ask any recovered addict what they think of harm reduction! That is the person who should have set up the addiction prevention program for the county not another a liberal anything goes”
“ We the community are really asleep at the wheel “. Wake up before its lights out Clallam County. Just remember every-time you get in your car how many harm reductions are driving down the road with you.
“Once upon a time”…or “In a land far, far away”… “ In the beginning”… I don’t give a cr@p how you start your Annual Report. Shut this office down and cut off the money. Dump the junkies van. This is a failed program and the numbers presented here don’t lie. Time for some tough love.
What has become of this quaint county? The county is broke and your only solution is raise my taxes.
The people who perpetrate and perpetuate this crap get big money for it — the SJW social services group at NOHN, PBH, Rediscovery and others. They own at least two of the three county commissioners and all of the PA City Council.
Moderators would never allow such current issues discussed on Nextdoor. They know nothing of your and CC concerns bc a rose exhibit is coming up. You would be in time-out so quick with a note on your permanent record! Shut office down, withhold funds, use funds to shut ND down, many have suffered there!
One step at a time Jeff, I’m right there with you.
I was a published author until Next Door ripped the confidence from my cold computer and deleted my content as disrespectful! Once it was a comment on ticks at state park! God, ticks must be sensitive little blood sucking mother fluffers.
Now it is coming to light. The person in charge of handing out drug supplies is a person who is aligned with the free Palestine movement. She seems to have no real concept of the harm of drug addiction does to people. But drug addiction is ok because people are autonomous and should be left to do their own thing...and helped with their addiction by given supplies to poison and/or kill themselves. How caring! And our elected leaders are giving out money to enable these stupid programs. And I thought the left wing loonies were all in Seattle.
Have you seen Palestine lately, they are a model for society! What idiots are we to even invite the notion of harm reduction from individuals who is clearly advocating for one thing but doing the opposite, with terrible results I might add!
He/she/it/they...Self-described 'anarchist'...the ultimate irony since anarchy means 'no order' or 'control' which is in part true but...none of the shit they are doing can be done without a meticulously ordered 'archist class' providing the infrastructure and means to carry it out while profiting immensely...schizophrenia comes to mind...mental illness at the peak of its tenure!😱 Sociopathy is destructive...Psychopathy is deadly!🙏🏼
Good one...that supposedly came from some bishop whose task it was to eliminate the Cathars because they posed an existential threat to 'the power of the church'.
A commander told him they couldn't tell the Cathars from the locals and he supposedly said. "Kill them all...God will know his own!"
See...old stuff...new package!
The 'god of this world' has always murdered any who professed and practiced to be free to embrace a free and loving God...the Essenes, the Cathars, Jesus disciples, etc., etc...over 80 Million tortured and murdered by the Catholic Church System alone...this is why we are afraid to stand up too high because history has taught us that the dissenters have paid a very high price for non-compliance and defiance!
Is this a hill worth dying on? We're gonna die (physically) anyway, so what's the hold-up? Oh, yeah, we're comfortable enough...for now...I get it...I'm there too, although on the lower economic rungs life is pretty good, especially if when I can stay in denial of the obvious!😎
Well done! I keep my broken down body busy tending gardens, yard and doggies, tinkering and of course, Renee...somewhere between a mountain hike and the graveyard!😊
'This too shall pass' is very useful. Thanks for the reminder!🤓
Is this like when they said we have to destroy this village in order to save it? Giving free drugs and kits and making it easy to stay high while being a drag on scarce county resources makes about as much sense as that. Anyone who enables addictive drug use should be ashamed of themselves.
State-county aiding abetting is supposed to help but as we can see from other big cities and ours the drug addict problem just keeps on growing no thanks to elected ignorant officials that keep supporting the addicts.Our local DSHS has been dealing with this problem for many years and we did not see these mass garbage encampments and dizzy wanderers all over public areas.Certain elected county officials got involved thinking they were going solve the problem by throwing mass tax $$$ at it but like the rest of other counties the problems related like substance abuse-crimes-garbage encampments just keeps on growing like a toxic virus.Clallam county really lacks officials with common sense and backbone.The more freebies you offer the more freebie takers you will accumulate and the more tax $$$ it will cost and before long the whole town will look like a landfill.
I just got back from coeur d' lene idaho a republicane-conservative run state to see daughter and son in laws new home,i did not see any signs of homeless garbage or dizzy wanderers roaming around anywhere in hayden or coeur d' lene.Democrat run states wa, ore,cali,all have the same mass drug addict homeless issues that are supported through their elected governors that encourage other elected leaders to do the same.No common sensed elected with good morals would follow any advice from proven hypocrites,liars,taxaholics that support perverted transgender agendas and high taxes, lawenforcement defunders ect ect ect,but some clallam county elected are brainwashed into doing so. So why do some people keep supporting these home wrecking elected officials to continue? I do know ignorance to the facts does play a role.Idaho has free landfills for residents,way cheaper property taxes,water rates,electric rates,garbage collection rates.Some clallam county voters better wake up to some of these radical elected officials ignorance before P.A. turns into L.A.
Let's see, we build a park, maintain a park, and police a park, for all to enjoy. But wait, take our children to the park only to hear them ask, What are those tent's daddy? Why is that person squatting there daddy? Watch out son, don"t step on that needle. But don't worry our county leaders are going to build a nice place for these people, much nicer than the little apartment we live in. Then they will be able to enjoy all the things your mom and I work for.
Evidence that "someone" is making alot of money either being "in charge", selling this crap at mind boggling markups to taxpayers, or don't really care about the addict. He's a commodity and is valuable as long as he is consuming what they're providing for free, courtesy of taxpayers. Free new busses for them to pass the time on while they harass working people and children, luxury housing for them to campfire and destroy, dog washing stations, free clothes, jackets, tents, food, drug kits and needles, condoms, hair cuts, teeth cleaning, psychiatric services, pregnancy tests, and emergency services. Wow! sounds like we are actually rewarding drug users! And finally, instruction on how to do drugs safely (i thought drugs and drug paraphernalia were illegal). Yet our govt entities show them how to do drugs???? I would be thrown in jail if i had drugs or drug paraphernalia but its ok for govt entities to hand out stuff to enable people to do drugs?? In what world are we living? Alot of people
are enriching themselves by "helping" drug users. ( helping them maintain their lifestyle at taxpayer expense).If they're dead, no one's going to be making any money...
I've seen whipping cream bottle nitric oxide, camera lens cleaner, Pam, glue, solvent and even amyl nitrate huffing. You can't stop it. Most of the people you saw doing that are dead. I can't pretend there is another way out. They will all end up going back to Bartertown. So you let people get themselves off or they die just like they do for the state department or some drug culling profiteering. Bartertown the new Hotel California. It keeps them out of a self-administered autonomy zones in the middle of societies big and small cities.
Who are the oppressors here? Seems to me that drug users are being oppressed by the drug dealers/suppliers/cartels who make the stuff available to them and programs that, in effect, condone their oppression.
None of the above mentioned groups would find quality in your suggestion. They all get their cut from drugs, career success is how much cash is on you? None of those entities recognize a problem, except us , a bunch of meddlers. If we quit getting drugs in the US, what would happen to all those jobs at S border? Be reasonable for the love of God, no one wants the illegal drug distribution, manufacturing and on going bloody murders over territory out of business, do we?
I say let’s do better, one step ahead and advocate for free insulin for people who are productive adults, who want to be well & need drugs to stay alive. Let’s do harm reduction and make it easier for them & provide free needles, alcohol wipes, testing kits, etc., helping those people who are & want to be productive adults in society. Or should we be providing more sugar products to diabetics instead to make it easier for them? Same stupid philosophy of these drug activists…..dumb and dumber!
Great analogy.
YEAH, I need a sugar fix with an insulin chaser! Do they have boofing kit?
They do you don't have to pee on tape any more.
There is Ibogaine, a trip so bad you just want to drink water and breath when the trip is over.
Make That free and plentiful!😝
Is giving them the drugs next on her list? Wonder if she keeps track of how many of her customers have died after using her supplies? Or got in an acident. Or comitted a crime.
Doesn't matter...ideology is all that matters.
We want to believe 'they' are capable of changing their minds about important issues...they aren't because it's not 'their mind' to begin with...we all have been subject to 'programming', that's why they call it Progamming but the last 3 generations have especially been overtaken by propaganda at every turn.
Not Every One, but enough, obviously to 'get the job done.'
All we can do is try to raise general awareness but we cannot know the outcome of our efforts.
I believe we are the quiet, naive, well meaning Majority but the controller shave control over all the important levers of power.
Which ever way it goes, it ain't going to be pretty!😊
In Canada. They call it MAID.
YEAH, I lived in B.C. for 11 years...they are even stupider and more naive/ignorant than Americans...of course they have been under the 'protection of the crown' from the beginning so 'big government' has the same effect wherever it rears it's draconian head!😝
This question was not easy for me to answer as I don't believe drug supplies should be distributed-period. To help destroy someone in hopes they will seek help makes absolutely no sense. And to spend time and money doing it makes no sense either. Is it wrong to use illegal drugs? Is it right to support a wrong? What in the world is wrong with US? Have we lost all common sense?
Why have drug programs or alcohol 12-step programs worked in the past, with verifiably proven statistics? Under her stupid philosophy statistics prove more and more drug use, deaths, & homelessness aren’t working so why are our leaders listening and being allowed to be led by dysfunctional liberal activists who have accomplished nothing except to make drug use easier over all? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WHOLE DISFUNCTIONAL PICTURE? Where is the push for what has actually worked in the past? Why can’t these disfunctional activists see not everyone chooses to be saved from drug abuse. They are nothing more than government funded drug dealers & if they could they would provide the drugs for them too.
What worked in the past (12 step) has maybe a 12% to 15% success rate. Which is good if your part of the success percentage. What I see that gets ignored is some people are just lost. They suffer a chemical imbalance and are incapable of critical thinking. They don't have it. Some had it and lost it. Others never had it. A percentage of folks are plain self destructive. Its always been this way. Some can be helped others refuse. Watching this over the last 25 years I've come to believe that the best we can do is make treatment available. Not court ordered. No harm reduction. Just have beds ready at a moments notice and after treatment "Recovery Residences" for folks to transition like www.oxfordhouse.org . Maybe Elon will make headway with a neural implant. I would also be okay with continuing research on psychotropic therapies. As with any budget you pick your priorities. I don't believe we are getting a good value for the dollars spent.
'The poor will always be with you.' Jesus
Poor in mind/intellect, spirit, body, some or all of these.
I have my own 'poornesses' but I'm working on them.🤔
12 step programs work but there is no money in it. Unless you own a residential treatment facility, which sounds better than luxury condos for homeless.
But, it pays off a student loan if its not forgiven.
Can’t make money off of a sober person! The harm reduction is not to reduce usage but diseases such as Hepatitis, TB.
Enablement....
I'm with you on your response!
We need to stop wasting money. Sadly if one of these people OD it is culling the herd.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
I would feel differently if we saw progress, instead all we see are more mutants coming to Clallam County for all the free stuff.
Like moths to a flame. We roll out the red carpet for zombies and wonder why there are so many here, at least in the summertime.
Its hilarious to hear our leaders even say the words "tourism" without picturing some poor older couple from Wyoming that can't even find a place to use a bathroom in town without being exposed to the free drug mutants.
A new type of tourism promotion for the tourism tzar…. Get your fix on east sixth (with a jingle)
This is what we get when we live in a community that is asleep. Then we elect people that are so called leaders who are also asleep at the wheel.
“Krusheav (sp) was correct when he said Communism would destroy us from within.
And now this is what the County Commissioners are offering Juvenile Services an agency that offers Harm Reduction ( Peninsula Behavioral Health)
Now they’re going to get our kids.
We continue to fund agencies that provide and tell youth and adults who are addicted also It’s okay to use a little drugs - it wouldn’t do harm” just a little.
We will loose our children next if we continue to think this plan or model is okay. Ask any recovered addict what they think of harm reduction! That is the person who should have set up the addiction prevention program for the county not another a liberal anything goes”
“ We the community are really asleep at the wheel “. Wake up before its lights out Clallam County. Just remember every-time you get in your car how many harm reductions are driving down the road with you.
“Once upon a time”…or “In a land far, far away”… “ In the beginning”… I don’t give a cr@p how you start your Annual Report. Shut this office down and cut off the money. Dump the junkies van. This is a failed program and the numbers presented here don’t lie. Time for some tough love.
What has become of this quaint county? The county is broke and your only solution is raise my taxes.
Try that on Next Door, you conservative meany.
The people who perpetrate and perpetuate this crap get big money for it — the SJW social services group at NOHN, PBH, Rediscovery and others. They own at least two of the three county commissioners and all of the PA City Council.
Very pleased with themselves...ironic how the 'radicals' have grifted into well paying gov't and NGO, NPO positions, eh?🤪
The only way to shut it down is a massive tax revolt but I doubt it will happen because 'we' are too afraid and it would cause short term chaos.
'Those who are willing to give up some liberty for a little security deserve neither.'
B. Franklin
Moderators would never allow such current issues discussed on Nextdoor. They know nothing of your and CC concerns bc a rose exhibit is coming up. You would be in time-out so quick with a note on your permanent record! Shut office down, withhold funds, use funds to shut ND down, many have suffered there!
My therapist says I can rise above my lifetime ND ban, someday.
One step at a time Jeff, I’m right there with you.
I was a published author until Next Door ripped the confidence from my cold computer and deleted my content as disrespectful! Once it was a comment on ticks at state park! God, ticks must be sensitive little blood sucking mother fluffers.
One day at a time, I’ll see you on that road!
Junkie Van could be an ice cream truck after extensive sterilization! Ding ding, Ice Cream!
Now it is coming to light. The person in charge of handing out drug supplies is a person who is aligned with the free Palestine movement. She seems to have no real concept of the harm of drug addiction does to people. But drug addiction is ok because people are autonomous and should be left to do their own thing...and helped with their addiction by given supplies to poison and/or kill themselves. How caring! And our elected leaders are giving out money to enable these stupid programs. And I thought the left wing loonies were all in Seattle.
Have you seen Palestine lately, they are a model for society! What idiots are we to even invite the notion of harm reduction from individuals who is clearly advocating for one thing but doing the opposite, with terrible results I might add!
He/she/it/they...Self-described 'anarchist'...the ultimate irony since anarchy means 'no order' or 'control' which is in part true but...none of the shit they are doing can be done without a meticulously ordered 'archist class' providing the infrastructure and means to carry it out while profiting immensely...schizophrenia comes to mind...mental illness at the peak of its tenure!😱 Sociopathy is destructive...Psychopathy is deadly!🙏🏼
It is legal to kill yourself in Washington state……..
It was legal right after Gonzales caught Kavorkian in a run-down in Oregon v. Gonzales.
Good one...that supposedly came from some bishop whose task it was to eliminate the Cathars because they posed an existential threat to 'the power of the church'.
A commander told him they couldn't tell the Cathars from the locals and he supposedly said. "Kill them all...God will know his own!"
See...old stuff...new package!
The 'god of this world' has always murdered any who professed and practiced to be free to embrace a free and loving God...the Essenes, the Cathars, Jesus disciples, etc., etc...over 80 Million tortured and murdered by the Catholic Church System alone...this is why we are afraid to stand up too high because history has taught us that the dissenters have paid a very high price for non-compliance and defiance!
Is this a hill worth dying on? We're gonna die (physically) anyway, so what's the hold-up? Oh, yeah, we're comfortable enough...for now...I get it...I'm there too, although on the lower economic rungs life is pretty good, especially if when I can stay in denial of the obvious!😎
Well done! I keep my broken down body busy tending gardens, yard and doggies, tinkering and of course, Renee...somewhere between a mountain hike and the graveyard!😊
'This too shall pass' is very useful. Thanks for the reminder!🤓
Is this like when they said we have to destroy this village in order to save it? Giving free drugs and kits and making it easy to stay high while being a drag on scarce county resources makes about as much sense as that. Anyone who enables addictive drug use should be ashamed of themselves.
Too much money to be made to be ashamed...
State-county aiding abetting is supposed to help but as we can see from other big cities and ours the drug addict problem just keeps on growing no thanks to elected ignorant officials that keep supporting the addicts.Our local DSHS has been dealing with this problem for many years and we did not see these mass garbage encampments and dizzy wanderers all over public areas.Certain elected county officials got involved thinking they were going solve the problem by throwing mass tax $$$ at it but like the rest of other counties the problems related like substance abuse-crimes-garbage encampments just keeps on growing like a toxic virus.Clallam county really lacks officials with common sense and backbone.The more freebies you offer the more freebie takers you will accumulate and the more tax $$$ it will cost and before long the whole town will look like a landfill.
I just got back from coeur d' lene idaho a republicane-conservative run state to see daughter and son in laws new home,i did not see any signs of homeless garbage or dizzy wanderers roaming around anywhere in hayden or coeur d' lene.Democrat run states wa, ore,cali,all have the same mass drug addict homeless issues that are supported through their elected governors that encourage other elected leaders to do the same.No common sensed elected with good morals would follow any advice from proven hypocrites,liars,taxaholics that support perverted transgender agendas and high taxes, lawenforcement defunders ect ect ect,but some clallam county elected are brainwashed into doing so. So why do some people keep supporting these home wrecking elected officials to continue? I do know ignorance to the facts does play a role.Idaho has free landfills for residents,way cheaper property taxes,water rates,electric rates,garbage collection rates.Some clallam county voters better wake up to some of these radical elected officials ignorance before P.A. turns into L.A.
Let's see, we build a park, maintain a park, and police a park, for all to enjoy. But wait, take our children to the park only to hear them ask, What are those tent's daddy? Why is that person squatting there daddy? Watch out son, don"t step on that needle. But don't worry our county leaders are going to build a nice place for these people, much nicer than the little apartment we live in. Then they will be able to enjoy all the things your mom and I work for.
So strange isn't it? We are always a razors edge from utter chaos! Enjoy!😉
The only "proven"...is that this program DOES NOT WORK!
Don't forget 'evidence based'!🤪
Evidence that "someone" is making alot of money either being "in charge", selling this crap at mind boggling markups to taxpayers, or don't really care about the addict. He's a commodity and is valuable as long as he is consuming what they're providing for free, courtesy of taxpayers. Free new busses for them to pass the time on while they harass working people and children, luxury housing for them to campfire and destroy, dog washing stations, free clothes, jackets, tents, food, drug kits and needles, condoms, hair cuts, teeth cleaning, psychiatric services, pregnancy tests, and emergency services. Wow! sounds like we are actually rewarding drug users! And finally, instruction on how to do drugs safely (i thought drugs and drug paraphernalia were illegal). Yet our govt entities show them how to do drugs???? I would be thrown in jail if i had drugs or drug paraphernalia but its ok for govt entities to hand out stuff to enable people to do drugs?? In what world are we living? Alot of people
are enriching themselves by "helping" drug users. ( helping them maintain their lifestyle at taxpayer expense).If they're dead, no one's going to be making any money...
I've seen whipping cream bottle nitric oxide, camera lens cleaner, Pam, glue, solvent and even amyl nitrate huffing. You can't stop it. Most of the people you saw doing that are dead. I can't pretend there is another way out. They will all end up going back to Bartertown. So you let people get themselves off or they die just like they do for the state department or some drug culling profiteering. Bartertown the new Hotel California. It keeps them out of a self-administered autonomy zones in the middle of societies big and small cities.
Who are the oppressors here? Seems to me that drug users are being oppressed by the drug dealers/suppliers/cartels who make the stuff available to them and programs that, in effect, condone their oppression.
None of the above mentioned groups would find quality in your suggestion. They all get their cut from drugs, career success is how much cash is on you? None of those entities recognize a problem, except us , a bunch of meddlers. If we quit getting drugs in the US, what would happen to all those jobs at S border? Be reasonable for the love of God, no one wants the illegal drug distribution, manufacturing and on going bloody murders over territory out of business, do we?
Exactly
WE AREN’T……Our County Commissioners are, Ozias, French and Johnson. Have you heard a “NAY” yet? Neither has the rest of the County 😖
Washington needs to make possession of drug paraphernalia illegal again and require local jurisdictions to enforce it.
Oh, yeah, they want us to want a police state! Problem, Reaction, Solution...Part of The Plan!🤓
Free Palestine???? Anarco Arab????? Makes me want to puke.
She has a free kit for that, I'm sure, just ask and you shall receive!😝
I believe heroin relieves nausea but it may have side-effects🤪