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Lawrence Martin's avatar

Read the latest on Sea Level Rise from Hessel G Voortman a Dutch Hydraulic Engineer. You know the Dutch... The Netherlands... Where living below sea level is critical. Seems that 2mm sea rise per year which is consistent with its rise for hundreds of years is still the rate of change. Voortman is one of the people you go to for hydraulic engineering if your going to spend billions on infrastructure on a coastal project. Read the report. Make your own conclusions. https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/13/9/1641

Is the ocean warming/cooling? The answer is yes. Both. Just like the skewed results in our tiny part of the world (Clallam County) money can fund whatever data set you want to push. Folks, I remember 50 years ago my High School Physics teacher distinctly telling us that Science is ever evolving. Very little is known. That is why they are called Theories.

Darwin's book written in 1859 was Theory. There has been much discussion over gene protein sequences that its mathematically impossible to have an Elephant evolve from an Amoeba. Now I'm no physicist but I've lived long enough to see Science debunked on supposedly settled issues. I've seen many things taken as gospel turn out to be false. Don't let our politicians put the grift on us. I would love to see one of our local leaders just for once say. "That wasn't a good idea. Lets try something else." That person could earn my vote.

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John Worthington's avatar

They built an event center where NOAA says its underwater in 20 years. They swapped land to the lower Elwha tribe..where NOAA says its under water in 20 years. Jamestown tribe built a library where NOAA says is underwater in 20 years..

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Lawrence Martin's avatar

And the Obama family lives in Martha's Vineyard. An argument for the 3 Crabs properties.

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AFB's avatar

And, New York was a swamp...

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CW's avatar

With some basic investigation, one can find out why the article you cite goes against all the money grabbing climate alarmists. At the bottom is states: Funding: "This research received no external funding."

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Greg O.'s avatar

Our so called leaders are simply crooks. They are corrupt, one sided and have only one goal, get rich on taxpayer dollars. Its time to hold each one of these crooks accountable. They have destroyed our county in the name of what?? Equity , inclusion,. They should all be included on a prison roster for their lies, deceipt and corruption. God bless CK !!!

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MK's avatar

Thanks for pointing out how clear the issue with NGO'S are and how once our tax dollars leave the county we no longer have the sunshine laws oversight how that money is spent, or how that entity operates.

Thank you Wendy Sisk for making the problem so clear for the citizens to understand.

Our BOCCC need to tie more requirements to how they spend our tax dollars to the organizations they hand those dollars over to. Not a penny should ever leave the county without such a requirement.

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James's avatar

FYI: An event is being planned to honor Charlie Kirk from 3-5pm on Friday October 3th in Port Angeles. Details to follow.

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Rita Lilita's avatar

You're working long hours Jeff.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

Ha! It's not that bad. I'm so thankful folks are sending stories in. Then Jacob takes over and writes these blockbuster Sunday articles. I have it pretty good.

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Susie Blake's avatar

so of course PDN has an article on OPCC today telling all the expansion they are doing. hmmm

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Geoff Fox's avatar

Suggest that Fermanis read John Donne's, "No man is an island"

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John Worthington's avatar

Fermanis is just trying to get promoted.

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Don Beeman's avatar

Where do we get these PsOS? Is she an import? I am, but I came year years ago to avoid the stench elsewhere. Now it’s here. Perhaps that’s what attracted her, the smell of her own kind.

If we unbuild it, they will go away. The decay has been directly proportional to the growth of PBH? Send them packing.

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Garry Blankenship's avatar

I can only hope Alexandria Fermanis sees the receiving end of her sick humor. Humans controlling global weather is at best a fantasy. Geology has proven global warming happened prior to human existence, so why is global warming now ascribed exclusively to fossil fuel consumption ? A better investment would be halting forest fires, volcanic eruptions and solar flares. Not banning fossil fuel consumption to stop global warming; but simply making it more expensive is the definition of hypocrisy. Someone is profiting from global warming efforts and it is not us drivers. If the war once fought with "Native Americans" must be fought again, so be it.

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MK's avatar
1hEdited

And we see that Jamestown has contributed $10,100 to Emily Randall in the last three years. Looks like she's bought and paid for. Just doing what she needs to do to stay in power.

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?committee_id=C00857094&contributor_name=jamestown

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John Morton's avatar

1st Amendment censoring. Period.

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Denise Lapio's avatar

I agree on 1A. But, we're just asking that people in the public be respectful to others grieving over such a horrible event. We see these killings of innocent human beings in real time now. In Vice versa, she would be the first to decry a "humorous" post if it happened to someone she liked. She isn't a nice person.

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Jim's avatar

Please report Alexandra Fermanis for her horrible comments. Can you make her famous on facebook? Thank you!

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Mark Swanson's avatar

Sam Grello isn’t wrong about downtown businesses in PA. If they can’t afford to fix up properties and get them opened for business, what are property owners doing except sitting on them and waiting for brighter days? It won’t be a popular opinion, but I favor having the city declare long-vacant businesses in the PA downtown as in being in need of redevelopment. They should be acquired via eminent domain and sold to companies with real business plans and money to spend, whether they’re locally or nationally based. Get government entities out of the downtown and into properties on Lincoln or 8th Street, like the empty Rite Aid.

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Geoff Fox's avatar

Let's see, eminent domain, then sell to highest bidder. Might the highest bidder then be the Tribe? The checkerboard continues to grow? Between the crap on the streets and vacant buildings why would any American or Canadian tourist dollars stop here - particularly after the sun goes down!

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Mark Swanson's avatar

It doesn’t have to be a tribe. You might have noticed that one tribe has not even built the hotel it promised for downtown PA and that’s one property I think should be designated for redevelopment. I know there are empty properties along First and Front streets between downtown and Baker’s Dip where I’d like to see a Sonic drive-in, Arby’s or CFA.

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Geoff Fox's avatar

Clean up the crap on the streets! I wouldn't give my young grandchildren a $20 bill each, and say, "go have a good time wandering around in downtown PA. Mom and dad are tired so were just going to stay in the motel and rest, You kids enjoy that nice looking trail along the waterfront. See you, bye."

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Mark Swanson's avatar

Amen. And by crap, I mean the junkies panhandling at many corners and camping out by the City Pier.

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AFB's avatar

And the crap around the Safeway. The drug-selling RV on the corner. The unsafe parking lot. How can anyone shop there anymore??

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John Worthington's avatar

With their trucks driving through roundabouts and paying a driver 10 hours for the 14 he worked...just to say in business.

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Mark Swanson's avatar

Whatever.

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John Worthington's avatar

Sonic is in Poulsbo because that is where the freeway ends.. We are lucky to have Wendy's Dairy Queen, McDonalds and Burger King,

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Mark Swanson's avatar

That Sonic closed more than a year ago. I miss it. We always stopped there when we had to go shopping in Silverdale or Poulsbo. Get my tots and a cherry slushie.

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Don Beeman's avatar

Right, more outside corporate competition for our restaurant owners!

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Mark Swanson's avatar

For too long, PA has been beating the drum for “local, local, local” like a shield against bigger owners from outside the area. That strategy has protected local interests but left us with too many vacant properties. Time to pull the plug on that.

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Mark Swanson's avatar

Yes, absolutely! What restaurants charge in PA is getting out of sight.

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John Worthington's avatar

My Dad owned properties for a while. He would take his long term tenant leases to the bank to get loans. I think they are not serious about a local economy. Expecting owners to come in and invest in an area Ron Allen considers salmon habitat, would be an unacceptable risk.

They want a benefactor to come in. Anybody else is just going to lose their shirt.

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John Worthington's avatar

I disagree to some of what you said.. They say the words buy local but local has no chance. Amazon pays no brick and mortar costs, impact or user's fees. In addition, the Amazon driver lives around Belfair/Bremerton-ish and pays into their economy not ours. Amazon was allowed to kill local brick and mortar. Just why a democrat, who loves taxes, wouldn't hit Amazon and Walmart with lane mile and nautical mile taxes... makes no sense..unless they signed an ICLEI charter to build a world economy...which is what we have now.

Dude at the Sequim Farmers market is selling an onion for 4 bucks. You can go to Safeway and get one from Malaysia for 1.25.

It is a fact the world economy pollutes for free. You can get watermelon from Turkey, strawberries in Mexico and make candy in Ohio...and still beat local people if they tried to do the same thing.

Going to property owners to tax them to give tokens to help buy the 4 dollar onion is bass ackards. They should be going to Amazon and Walmart and taxing what is on their shelf or online and assessing a lane mile and nautical mile tax.

All a local land use dictator has needed to play your version of imminent domain God is a world economy with all the advantages and a local guy running on a hamster wheel ..if running at all.

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Mark Swanson's avatar

No, we should tell the farmer with the $4 onions to hit the bricks — no support for them at all. I don’t care if it’s a local onion or one from Timbuktu. In fact, I would love to see a store open in PA with fruit and produce from abroad at near-wholesale prices.

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John Worthington's avatar

You mean like Walmart and Safeway..

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John Worthington's avatar

Sustainable...how. Yet another ship in the harbor..another truck on the road? It doesn't pencil out if all impact and user fees were to be considered equal.

Its only 4 bucks because he pays through the nose for everything.

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Mark Swanson's avatar

They’re charging $4 for the onion (I think especially at the farmers’ market in Sequim) from the organic LGBTQ women’s farms, just so consumers can tell their friends they’re liberal locavores. I don’t CARE if it’s sustainably farmed.

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John Worthington's avatar

I think you are right about the organic LGBTQ women’s farms assessment. Lol. Ben Smith plays 40 rental and rents them the no-til drill.

Did you know they have a subsidize booth. You take your card to a booth were they give you tokens. Now I am going to look at them more closely.

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Geoff Fox's avatar

I don't think that the people who leave the store without paying care where the name on the store, or where the onion was grown, or what the store owner thought the light finger person was going to pay for it. The thief only cares about, where can i get away with this and the people don't enforce any laws.

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AFB's avatar

Trader Joe's?

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Mark Swanson's avatar

Yeah, they’re not coming here. We don’t have the economic demographics or the vehicle traffic they like.

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Geoff Fox's avatar

With Bill Gates and JD Vance buying up farmland in the USA, and tariffs in play, we will all be paying what the piper demands. By then the onion might be $8, or go home without one. The Robber Barons of old (Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, etc.) well the new breed has replaced you. Yeah Chouinard of Patagonia, he is a different breed then a guy like Bezos.

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Dale Wilson's avatar

Vacant properties mean there is excess we are overbuilt. There is zero demand when you have a weak economy and new businesses can build to suit on a vacant lot.

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Mark Swanson's avatar

We have vacant properties because people know local leaders are not serious about attracting business to our area. I’m waiting for the EDC to announce that they’re working to find another paper mill to operate the McKinley site but it’s pretty clear that property’s future should be demolition, not a rehash of past glories as a choice employer for the pickup truck set.

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John Worthington's avatar

The lane mile/ nautical mile tax would help change some Corporate minds...

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MK's avatar

What's the root cause of this "excess" or "zero demand?"

Until someone pulls that apart we're just peeing into the wind.

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John Worthington's avatar

Amazon/Walmart lane mile nautical mile tax.

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MK's avatar

No question that's one of, if not the biggest, root cause. Others are local and state laws that are anti small business.

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John Worthington's avatar

Any investor or leader worth a salt has to hear the salmon spawning/sea level rise concerns that are being raised there.

Even if not, lets take the Capitalism test right here right now.

What business would you open with your house on the line for a 5 year lease with CAM charges besides a naked lady latte stand or tribal business?

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John Worthington's avatar

Waiting....

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John Worthington's avatar

Any property is going to need a successful tenant under long term lease. Not someone running on a hamster wheel. Even the plan to give rich people tax write off's to open small businesses isn't working.

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Don Beeman's avatar

You are correct. Your opinion is not popular with me. It’s wrong. You are looking to government to fix a problem it has largely been responsible for. You want the government to be the middle man and magically make the same old properties now desirable. “Government is the problem.” Heard that somewhere.

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Mark Swanson's avatar

I’ve seen towns do this very successfully and believe me, back then I was the local media editor telling them they were wrong. But they were right.

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John Worthington's avatar

You need real leaders. What Port Angeles needed was to develop the Jimmycomelately science for Peabody creek and Valley Creek. Meaning you say here is where the salmon spawning is going to be. Its not going to be riparian science which means the water could go anywhere. Its going to be Jimmycomelately science..the same science that protects the casino and long house. Then you build that. A water body and system that is locked in. Then you pull your city center back to the bluffs or higher ground.. Its a mega project no matter how you slice it. One that needs major federal funding.

To expect someone to go in and invest under the current salmon sea level rise clouds hanging over is a recipe for decay.

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Eric Fehrmann's avatar

OOPS We ran out of time for public discourse. Shucks. 🫣

Th.. Th.. That's All Folks.

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