Thank you Mr Taylor, reading your article, I don't get that the Commissioner's are listening. I feel we are just speaking to the hand. Instead they are busy with:
THIRTY-FIVE WAYS TO AVOID ANSWERING QUESTIONS
1. Ignoring the question
2. Acknowledging the question without answering it
3. Questioning the question
◦ Requesting more explanation
◦ Bouncing the question back: ‘You tell me’
4. ATTACKING THE QUESTION! (Commissioner’s most favorite)
◦ The question does not address the key topic under discussion
◦ The question is hypothetical or speculative
◦ The question is based on a faulty premise
◦ The question is not accurate in terms of facts
◦ The question contains an erroneous quote
◦ The question contains a quote that has been taken out of context
◦ The question is offensive
◦ The question is based on a wrong choice
5. Attacking the interviewer
6. Refusing to answer
◦ Because you cannot answer
◦ Because you do not want to answer
◦ ‘I can’t speak for someone else’
◦ Delaying the answer (‘You will have to wait and see’)
◦ Claiming ignorance
7. Making a political point
◦ Attacking an external group (the opposition or rival groups)
◦ Referring to policy
◦ Defending policy
◦ Reassuring
◦ Appealing to nationalism
◦ Presenting a political analysis
◦ Self-justification
◦ Defending your own party or opinion
8. Providing an incomplete answer
◦ Starting an answer but not finishing it (interrupting yourself)
◦ Providing a negative answer: the politician says what is not going to happen instead of what is going to happen
◦ Giving a partial answer
◦ Answering only half of the question
◦ Giving only a fraction of an answer
9. Repeating the answer to the previous question
10. Saying or implying that the question has already been answered
The public speaking portion of the meeting should be one-way communication. IT is for people to voice their opinions, give input, NOT for a conversation. The MOST they should do is say "thank you for your comment" or making a comment to staff to follow up on something. If the commissioners are transmitting their disinterest with body language (engaging in personal grooming, checking cell phone, etc.), replying with snarky responses, getting into a back-and-forth, engaging in insults --- there is more wrong than meets-the-eye. They should not call out anyone, berate anyone, insult, or lecture -- NOT PLAY FAVORITES with the public.
I say no picking at any body part during meetings. Yours or your neighbors. Nose, ears, teeth, etc. we could print a note for each chair. Really health dept should be on this but they are busy waiting for next pandemic.
🤣😆😂. I sure hope we can laugh them down when they pull their nazi crap next time!
There are a lot of voluntary mask wearers, distance keepers, tattle-tales in our little county!
I'll go to jail this time....last time the cops just trespassed me out of Costco for a year...I didn't wait a year of course but this time I won't stand down.😎
Hey Jeff, You have provided us with so much information on how the BOCCC are doing and not doing their jobs. I realize why you’d like an ethics stated rules and procedures for breaking them. I spent several hours reading the ones in place for the state of Washington, any elected or employed by the state ethics. It is written in the format of story questions that you chose the answer at the end of each topic.
Then it’s suppose to grade you, but I didn’t get a grade. What? I aced it. My point is, the commissioners have violated so many laws of ethics and behavior especially Ozias, why haven’t we ramped up to the next level and put in formal complaints. He can be impeached or dismissed from duties anytime during his term. There is a complaint form online. You just need accurate info of times, dates, etc.
Example: if he is being paid by other boards he serves on but has not disclosed that prior to appointment. If anything he oversees becomes a conflict of interest or he benefits by his leadership position, that is not permitted. Also didn’t he sell a bunch of land at an inflated price(?) All these things must be presented and made aware to public or if his job gives him an advantage over others in transactions he must recluse himself. I bet he never read anything remotely related to ethics. For some but not for thee.
Complaint forms. We should move on it or suffer with his self serving ways for 2 more years. He is everything that is wrong with politics.
If you GOOGLE Thugs in politics, his picture appears!
I submitted a complaint to our Prosecuting Attorney, but he essentially stated that the Charter prohibits him from investigating ethical complaints against commissioners. I filed a complaint with the State Auditor, but there were no unethical findings. I think it's a huge deal that he shut down the gravel pit next to his home (personal gain) and blocked Towne Road (like his top-campaign donor JST did), but I couldn't find a way to file a complaint.
We will have to be deep diggers and then prove that the behavior is a pattern. I question the prosecuting attorney, however I read that in the county the commissioners really have no boss, so taking an issue above their heads, seems like a clever ass covering scheme.
Too bad their own moral compass doesn’t kick in to reinforce right from wrong. I feel good about this, and you know I wouldn’t confront someone without all the facts heavily stacked on the side of good citizens. Thanks Jeff. You are in the time, in the location and surrounded by people that have heard you and understand we must be together. Do you realize how totally blessed you are? So many people spend their lives with no direction and no passion. You are a local treasure, a very good writer and I understand why your friends are of such variety. My respect for you is immense .❤️
I was sleepwalking before Towne Road; my, how things have changed. Yes, I feel very blessed to have the friends I do (including you). Thank you for the kind words.
the state ethics was watered down -- the ethics board of the state ONLY deals with state, not county or city. (Exceptions for whistleblowers, but they must be employed by the government agency.) And, yes, it is true the local prosecuting attorney doesn't have anything to do with ethics. Ethics rules always have someone to complain to -- ours is just to our board of county commissioners (if I remember correctly) instead of to HR, which would then convene a panel (quasi-judicial) to overseen and examine.
The city of PA just wholesale tossed all their ethics rules, and even HR doesn't claim it. Put in a complaint and it goes into the circular file cabinet on the floor.
Not to mention, these individuals are seen by many as the "cool kids" so the public that knows them, even peripherally, elects them again so that they can be in the "cool club" People do not like to cross the cool kids who seem powerful for fear they will turn on them.
No truer words have been spoken. The commissioners can be complete jerks with no repercussions because we lack an active ethics rules and consequences. The State of Washington has a code of ethics that is presented in a forthright, no confusion or vagueness. Why can’t Clallam County at least get a working standard on record? If changes need to be made , it can be addressed. If Ozias had to abide by the ethics of the state he’d be saying “Welcome, to Walmart”. I’m not kidding. Abuse of position for personal gains, is cause for dismissal. I say, let’s file a complaint. There are so many to pick from. His behavior in the commissioner position is reprehensible. Check out the rules and restrictions for Washington State. You’ll see it paints a picture that looks just like Ozias. Not a good look.
The Charter Review Commission is working to introduce an enforceable Code of Ethics for our County (we had one prior to 2006, but the Commissioners removed it). If it keeps advancing, voters could adopt it in November of 2026.
I have not read the Commissions by laws or rules of meeting operation but if they follow Robert's Rules of Order, public comment is absolutely only for listening to the public, not responding.
These 'infiltraitors' are behaving the way they do because there is ZERO accountability and they know it.
They may be insane but they are not stupid...at least in the way we commonly understand it. They have their socialist/environmentalist mandates and they are carrying them out like good little robots.
Their stupidity may lie in the fact that they don't understand that as enough people do wake up from their slumber, eventually, it will probably get quite a bit weirder than it already is, for all concerned.
We have to 'out' the corruption but also visualize and strive for a just and realistic form of governance... or nothing changes.
The Constitutions for the United States and for Washington State means nothing to most of the 'office holders' currently in our state or county govt's.
They openly flaunt the rules of conduct they swore to uphold and serve.
Truly great phrasing Robert. All you say should scare the hell out of them. Jeff, thank you, thank you, thank you. When we knew more, we acted better. United in the expectations of professional behavior by officials representing the tax payers instead of using office to ingratiate their personal lives. We could cut and paste from the Wa State ethics guide and procedures.
Aside from the petitions Mr. Seegers will present, how will the Commissioners know who in the audience are against the fee? I happened upon this article yesterday and some of the photos are a possible example of what opposition could look like. Nothing to read, just scroll down. It would make for a visible representation.
Very appreciative of the time Mr. Seegers has taken provide us with the facts of the problem, namely that we're clearly being lied to in order to swindle our money. I'll be asking the Commissioners to vote no so that the CCD can "conserve" the $5 in my wallet.
Great article, Jake! Thank you for your time to write this so that everyone stays on top of the matter. Too many contradictions between the CCD's presentation and the real reason for the parcel fee. I think Jeff and some other commenters hit it on the head. Since the Charter Review Commission failed to pass an amendment for a water steward department, then an alternate and surreptitious route will be necessary. Hence, the BoCC vote on the parcel fee. And they wonder why we don't like them. No body likes a cheater.
I think a big missing point in all this is, it’s not just the 5 bucks. It’s the fact that we’re being taxed into oblivion and enough is enough. The state is in a huge budget deficit, yet they’re already talking about how to increase taxes again next year rather than reduce the size and scope of government. Am I the only one who thinks this is bass-ackwards thinking???
I believe it is Comcast taking the State to court on one of the new taxes on one of Comcasts lines of business. This new tax was a revenue cornerstone in closing the budget deficit. Should Comcast win the case maybe the legislature will be back in special session before 2025 comes to an end? It ain't over until the fat people get fatter!
Thanks for opening our eyes, Jeff and Jake!! We will be at the CCC the meeting on Tues morning. I'll give a very brief public comment; I'll check the site for instructions for providing that.
Isn't it weird that when left to your own devices to raise money, you succeed in collecting $25 over a year but when you throw it on the agenda as a $5 per household 'gift' to aid the CCD it causes rancor? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, if you did a better job at creating a viable reason for the additional monies that people would be more inclined to offer it, than to just take it from them? Do you remember a time, long ago, when you could choose to gift an organization, through your payroll, each payday? I do.
Teri, The sneaky doesn't end there. I was eating at the Resort at Port Ludlow. Looking down to the bottom of the menu was some tiny print. It stated it will add a 1% gift tax (of total bill) to go to JEFFERSON COUNTY LAND TRUST unless you let it be known that you don't want to! That got me going. I thought taking the "oath" for Clallam County was way out line. Read the Jefferson County "oath" especially paragraph 2. It has us taking a walk of shame. Jesus Jumpin Jehoshaphat put me in jail, please.
Land Acknowledgement
Jefferson Land Trust acknowledges that the lands we work to preserve are within the traditional Indigenous tribal lands of the S’Klallam, Chemakum, Twana, Suquamish and other Indigenous peoples. These Indigenous peoples are the original stewards of these lands and waters, since time immemorial. Jefferson Land Trust recognizes that European and American colonization irrevocably changed the homeland and ecosystem of the Tribes, effectively destroying traditional land access and ways of life.
WAIT FOR IT
We also recognize that the current system of land ownership and private conservation that we operate within has created, and continues to create, NEGATIVE IMPACTS on many marginalized communities. Working in conjunction with local Indigenous peoples and marginalized communities, Jefferson Land Trust will RECOGNIZE THIS IMMEASURABLE DISRUPTION and we will strive to lessen the negative impacts of our work, creating a future wherein we seek to deepen our partnerships together and create positive change.
Oh for the love of God! Lucky I had a puppy potty bag in my pocket bc there was no way to not gag, choke and vomit!
Good Info! Now Port Ludlow is scratched off list for forever home shopping. Plus all the chemicals to keep the golf course green! When are we going to just admit golfing has lost its charm, pesticides are heavily tied to living on courses and Parkinson’s disease.
Any place that has a political “guilt” clause on the menu, I’m not going. Seriously, nothing like a good puke before lunch.
WTH?? No this deserves the WTAFF,Darlene? From Ozark the series.
Covered a lot of liberal territory there. We've got patriarchy, colonization, white privilege and subjugation. Well done, there libs. You missed out on the pox and alcoholism that the white man brought in, but forgot about the treaties, land agreements and casinos benefitting the tribes. This sovereignty thing is a cash cow.
Jennifer, we could spend the rest of our lives demanding reparations for various indignities that our ancestors suffered at other's hands. It would be a disaster of epic proportions because, truth be known, I, for one, don't have any recollection of ever having taken anyone's land, loved one, property, money or culture. And I'm too big to drown myself in a dog washing tub...unless it's a really big tub.
So has the operator of the establishment signed over all their property titles to the immeasurably impacted groups before serving a side of shame with your meal? Does nobody ever wonder what is the end game for these acknowledgements? Maybe when we have to introduce ourseleves for public comment at city and county meetings we should add if we "cede" our property rights to such claims or not? It reminds me of lyrics to the Indigo Girls song "Galileo" -"... and now I'm serving time for mistakes made by another in another lifetime. How long til my soul gets it right, can any human being ever reach that kind of light."
Yes, where is our provided casino that we collect tax on but don’t forward monies to county or feds. I want my God given piece of the action that will generate wealth to secure my family for generations. No audits. No paper work ever! No names or SS#’s. I want my piece of Anacortes that Grandma Harvey stepped off a boat as a child when the city began. How about acreage where Grandma Kelley rode by wagon with three little sisters from Illinois to Colorado to grow feed for an ever increasing cattle industry. I’m an American, I have history, we all do. Why is ours not a talking point? My relatives never killed tribe members, or stole from them. My relatives never spoke racist slurs about natives or persons of color. That is a newer addition to our culture, sadly.
Looking back on that age old question..."do you eat"? Wendy Rae Johnson is so full of herself she shouldn't have to worry about eating for a very long time.
It's "only" $ 5.00. If "only" that were true. It is "another" $ 5.00 to be added onto property tax, sales tax, capital gains tax, school bonds, fuel taxes, income taxes, business and occupation taxes, "free" transportation, drug rehabilitation, arts and cultural costs, publicly sponsored festivals and events and likely much more I am unaware of. I am very pro-environment. I do not want the CCD making my interest and/or personal investment in environmental health a mandatory tax. I would gladly give more than $ 5.00 to establish a Clallam County DOGE department which would find far more than this "only" $ 5.00 in the form of waste fraud and abuse. Government and NGOs are self propagating, insatiable, tax consuming entities. We need oversight; not another tax.
Garry, I've been following (I never comment) on Next Door. They are led to believe that it is a one time $5 for this year. Several comments said, "Well, I can do that" without even knowing where, when or how the $5 will affect them. Several contributors on ND don't give all the facts just a short sentence that sounds good. The few on ND dominate the site...except Marge Rassel, she keeps plugging away. Hang in there Marge!
Kristin, hate to say it, but who would they hire for a forensic audit? Local auditors? Who would choose them? The "good ole boy" is pretty entrenched. I rather like the DOGE philosophy, move fast, hard and break things. Or hire outside auditors? Don't know, but yes, you are right, there should be an audit.
A forensic audit involves a detailed examination and evaluation of a firm’s or individual’s financial records. The goal is to derive evidence that can be used in a court of law or other legal proceedings.
Forensic auditing is a specialization within accounting, and is often required when there is suspicion of fraud, embezzlement, or other financial crimes.
Forensic audits cover a wide range of investigative activities. A forensic audit is often conducted to prosecute a party for fraud, embezzlement, or other financial crimes. In the process of a forensic audit, the auditor may be called to serve as an expert witness during trial proceedings. Forensic audits could also involve situations that do not include financial fraud, such as disputes related to bankruptcy filings, business closures, and divorces.
It's all eyes on District 3 next year (West Port Angeles to the coast). French is next up for reelection, if he decides to run. We should know sometime next spring.
I really like the question regarding the Commissioners weighing the question of ethics of others before they make any decisions, however my greatest concern is the obvious lack of ethics in the Commissioners themselves~! If these Commissioners are not constantly committing crimes and destroying the public trust on a regular basis, then "we" (Clallam County) need to enact more laws that these Commissioners must follow, or they need to face criminal prosecutions, jail or prison sentences and personal fines~! The Commissioners have time & time again proven that they do not possess any remotely reasonable ethic capabilities/capacity, so who are they to judge ithers about their ethics~? I believe that is the key question with regard to our County Commissioners, with VERY rare exceptions... Have a great Sunday and thanks for the great efforts for our community~!
Thank you Mr Taylor, reading your article, I don't get that the Commissioner's are listening. I feel we are just speaking to the hand. Instead they are busy with:
THIRTY-FIVE WAYS TO AVOID ANSWERING QUESTIONS
1. Ignoring the question
2. Acknowledging the question without answering it
3. Questioning the question
◦ Requesting more explanation
◦ Bouncing the question back: ‘You tell me’
4. ATTACKING THE QUESTION! (Commissioner’s most favorite)
◦ The question does not address the key topic under discussion
◦ The question is hypothetical or speculative
◦ The question is based on a faulty premise
◦ The question is not accurate in terms of facts
◦ The question contains an erroneous quote
◦ The question contains a quote that has been taken out of context
◦ The question is offensive
◦ The question is based on a wrong choice
5. Attacking the interviewer
6. Refusing to answer
◦ Because you cannot answer
◦ Because you do not want to answer
◦ ‘I can’t speak for someone else’
◦ Delaying the answer (‘You will have to wait and see’)
◦ Claiming ignorance
7. Making a political point
◦ Attacking an external group (the opposition or rival groups)
◦ Referring to policy
◦ Defending policy
◦ Reassuring
◦ Appealing to nationalism
◦ Presenting a political analysis
◦ Self-justification
◦ Defending your own party or opinion
8. Providing an incomplete answer
◦ Starting an answer but not finishing it (interrupting yourself)
◦ Providing a negative answer: the politician says what is not going to happen instead of what is going to happen
◦ Giving a partial answer
◦ Answering only half of the question
◦ Giving only a fraction of an answer
9. Repeating the answer to the previous question
10. Saying or implying that the question has already been answered
11. ‘Excusing’ yourself: (‘Excuse me, but…’)
12. Taking the question literally
The public speaking portion of the meeting should be one-way communication. IT is for people to voice their opinions, give input, NOT for a conversation. The MOST they should do is say "thank you for your comment" or making a comment to staff to follow up on something. If the commissioners are transmitting their disinterest with body language (engaging in personal grooming, checking cell phone, etc.), replying with snarky responses, getting into a back-and-forth, engaging in insults --- there is more wrong than meets-the-eye. They should not call out anyone, berate anyone, insult, or lecture -- NOT PLAY FAVORITES with the public.
They are not supposed to engage this way.
We need ethics rules in this county!
I think commissioners might learn what ethics are from reading this:
https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision-making/what-is-ethics/
I'll send it to them. :)
They'll want to read that and embrace it once it's tied to salmon, water, orcas, aka re-election.
Sent
ME TOO!😎
Mimi, that's why I'm voting for you! Unless you spit your fingernails on the floor, then I'd have to think about it : )
Someone really needs to call them out on that behavior.
Stop in the middle of your public comment and say " can I get you a nail file???"
My parents would have smacked me a good one if I showed such disrespect when someone was talking to me- yikes!
The French manicure.
Oh darn, I'll try to not do that... (not that I ever HAVE any fingernails...long enough to spit).
I say no picking at any body part during meetings. Yours or your neighbors. Nose, ears, teeth, etc. we could print a note for each chair. Really health dept should be on this but they are busy waiting for next pandemic.
Oh and no spitting.
Burping and farting ok?🤪
🤣😆😂. I sure hope we can laugh them down when they pull their nazi crap next time!
There are a lot of voluntary mask wearers, distance keepers, tattle-tales in our little county!
I'll go to jail this time....last time the cops just trespassed me out of Costco for a year...I didn't wait a year of course but this time I won't stand down.😎
Aww... we could each groom the person to our right.... like a cooperative group of happy bonobos.
We'd sure be a happier group.... (although I decline to eat nits, I'm a nitatarian, no nits for me).
Everyone to your right, massage your neighbor's shoulders.
I'd go to MORE meetings, to be certain.
All we need is love? What a concept....how do we love these beings who are ignoring and back-dooring us?😊
Hey Jeff, You have provided us with so much information on how the BOCCC are doing and not doing their jobs. I realize why you’d like an ethics stated rules and procedures for breaking them. I spent several hours reading the ones in place for the state of Washington, any elected or employed by the state ethics. It is written in the format of story questions that you chose the answer at the end of each topic.
Then it’s suppose to grade you, but I didn’t get a grade. What? I aced it. My point is, the commissioners have violated so many laws of ethics and behavior especially Ozias, why haven’t we ramped up to the next level and put in formal complaints. He can be impeached or dismissed from duties anytime during his term. There is a complaint form online. You just need accurate info of times, dates, etc.
Example: if he is being paid by other boards he serves on but has not disclosed that prior to appointment. If anything he oversees becomes a conflict of interest or he benefits by his leadership position, that is not permitted. Also didn’t he sell a bunch of land at an inflated price(?) All these things must be presented and made aware to public or if his job gives him an advantage over others in transactions he must recluse himself. I bet he never read anything remotely related to ethics. For some but not for thee.
Complaint forms. We should move on it or suffer with his self serving ways for 2 more years. He is everything that is wrong with politics.
If you GOOGLE Thugs in politics, his picture appears!
I submitted a complaint to our Prosecuting Attorney, but he essentially stated that the Charter prohibits him from investigating ethical complaints against commissioners. I filed a complaint with the State Auditor, but there were no unethical findings. I think it's a huge deal that he shut down the gravel pit next to his home (personal gain) and blocked Towne Road (like his top-campaign donor JST did), but I couldn't find a way to file a complaint.
https://www.ccwatchdog.com/p/code-of-ethics?utm_source=publication-search
We will have to be deep diggers and then prove that the behavior is a pattern. I question the prosecuting attorney, however I read that in the county the commissioners really have no boss, so taking an issue above their heads, seems like a clever ass covering scheme.
Too bad their own moral compass doesn’t kick in to reinforce right from wrong. I feel good about this, and you know I wouldn’t confront someone without all the facts heavily stacked on the side of good citizens. Thanks Jeff. You are in the time, in the location and surrounded by people that have heard you and understand we must be together. Do you realize how totally blessed you are? So many people spend their lives with no direction and no passion. You are a local treasure, a very good writer and I understand why your friends are of such variety. My respect for you is immense .❤️
I was sleepwalking before Towne Road; my, how things have changed. Yes, I feel very blessed to have the friends I do (including you). Thank you for the kind words.
Well, if they are not the investigators, who is? So basically if you are elected, you get to have the spot regardless of your actions! Arg
the state ethics was watered down -- the ethics board of the state ONLY deals with state, not county or city. (Exceptions for whistleblowers, but they must be employed by the government agency.) And, yes, it is true the local prosecuting attorney doesn't have anything to do with ethics. Ethics rules always have someone to complain to -- ours is just to our board of county commissioners (if I remember correctly) instead of to HR, which would then convene a panel (quasi-judicial) to overseen and examine.
The city of PA just wholesale tossed all their ethics rules, and even HR doesn't claim it. Put in a complaint and it goes into the circular file cabinet on the floor.
Not to mention, these individuals are seen by many as the "cool kids" so the public that knows them, even peripherally, elects them again so that they can be in the "cool club" People do not like to cross the cool kids who seem powerful for fear they will turn on them.
Maybe those little mittens you put on babies so they don’t scratch their faces.
I hope the social retread reads this! How gross. I bet he picks his nose in his 🚘 car!
ETHICS, ETHICS, ETHICS!😎
Robert James, I missed you. I'm glad your back ; )
3 glorious days at Lake Ozette...so peaceful...few people...so quiet...I miss quiet. Thanks for the welcome back.😊
No truer words have been spoken. The commissioners can be complete jerks with no repercussions because we lack an active ethics rules and consequences. The State of Washington has a code of ethics that is presented in a forthright, no confusion or vagueness. Why can’t Clallam County at least get a working standard on record? If changes need to be made , it can be addressed. If Ozias had to abide by the ethics of the state he’d be saying “Welcome, to Walmart”. I’m not kidding. Abuse of position for personal gains, is cause for dismissal. I say, let’s file a complaint. There are so many to pick from. His behavior in the commissioner position is reprehensible. Check out the rules and restrictions for Washington State. You’ll see it paints a picture that looks just like Ozias. Not a good look.
The Charter Review Commission is working to introduce an enforceable Code of Ethics for our County (we had one prior to 2006, but the Commissioners removed it). If it keeps advancing, voters could adopt it in November of 2026.
Oh well that is truly a shocking turn of events.🤮
I have not read the Commissions by laws or rules of meeting operation but if they follow Robert's Rules of Order, public comment is absolutely only for listening to the public, not responding.
Exactamundo! This whole gig is a complete and utter lie. Great list of devious responses, jennifer!
These 'infiltraitors' are behaving the way they do because there is ZERO accountability and they know it.
They may be insane but they are not stupid...at least in the way we commonly understand it. They have their socialist/environmentalist mandates and they are carrying them out like good little robots.
Their stupidity may lie in the fact that they don't understand that as enough people do wake up from their slumber, eventually, it will probably get quite a bit weirder than it already is, for all concerned.
We have to 'out' the corruption but also visualize and strive for a just and realistic form of governance... or nothing changes.
The Constitutions for the United States and for Washington State means nothing to most of the 'office holders' currently in our state or county govt's.
They openly flaunt the rules of conduct they swore to uphold and serve.
This makes them sociopathic and dangerous.
They will not go quietly....but go they must!😎
Truly great phrasing Robert. All you say should scare the hell out of them. Jeff, thank you, thank you, thank you. When we knew more, we acted better. United in the expectations of professional behavior by officials representing the tax payers instead of using office to ingratiate their personal lives. We could cut and paste from the Wa State ethics guide and procedures.
36.
I am not interested! Mike French would say,
Yeah, why be interested in those who pay you a handsome income for representing them and making decisions which negatively impact them?😎
Aside from the petitions Mr. Seegers will present, how will the Commissioners know who in the audience are against the fee? I happened upon this article yesterday and some of the photos are a possible example of what opposition could look like. Nothing to read, just scroll down. It would make for a visible representation.
https://lynnwoodtimes.com/tag/dan-murnan/
Very appreciative of the time Mr. Seegers has taken provide us with the facts of the problem, namely that we're clearly being lied to in order to swindle our money. I'll be asking the Commissioners to vote no so that the CCD can "conserve" the $5 in my wallet.
The ones not wearing a mask she doesn't want anyone else to wear. Peek a boo Ms. Hinshew..
I like this!
Someone will need to print enough up and have them available for the audience.
They ask do you eat, do you drink water? While they’re paying farmers not to grow crops?
True Mark or they are on the board in high ranking, can you say payoff to the elite
Ben Dover Smith...
Neil Down Smith...
Great article, Jake! Thank you for your time to write this so that everyone stays on top of the matter. Too many contradictions between the CCD's presentation and the real reason for the parcel fee. I think Jeff and some other commenters hit it on the head. Since the Charter Review Commission failed to pass an amendment for a water steward department, then an alternate and surreptitious route will be necessary. Hence, the BoCC vote on the parcel fee. And they wonder why we don't like them. No body likes a cheater.
I think a big missing point in all this is, it’s not just the 5 bucks. It’s the fact that we’re being taxed into oblivion and enough is enough. The state is in a huge budget deficit, yet they’re already talking about how to increase taxes again next year rather than reduce the size and scope of government. Am I the only one who thinks this is bass-ackwards thinking???
Forensic audit time for sure. State and county.
Robert you have a whole posse riding behind you, with a noose.
I believe it is Comcast taking the State to court on one of the new taxes on one of Comcasts lines of business. This new tax was a revenue cornerstone in closing the budget deficit. Should Comcast win the case maybe the legislature will be back in special session before 2025 comes to an end? It ain't over until the fat people get fatter!
Thanks for opening our eyes, Jeff and Jake!! We will be at the CCC the meeting on Tues morning. I'll give a very brief public comment; I'll check the site for instructions for providing that.
Isn't it weird that when left to your own devices to raise money, you succeed in collecting $25 over a year but when you throw it on the agenda as a $5 per household 'gift' to aid the CCD it causes rancor? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, if you did a better job at creating a viable reason for the additional monies that people would be more inclined to offer it, than to just take it from them? Do you remember a time, long ago, when you could choose to gift an organization, through your payroll, each payday? I do.
Teri, The sneaky doesn't end there. I was eating at the Resort at Port Ludlow. Looking down to the bottom of the menu was some tiny print. It stated it will add a 1% gift tax (of total bill) to go to JEFFERSON COUNTY LAND TRUST unless you let it be known that you don't want to! That got me going. I thought taking the "oath" for Clallam County was way out line. Read the Jefferson County "oath" especially paragraph 2. It has us taking a walk of shame. Jesus Jumpin Jehoshaphat put me in jail, please.
Land Acknowledgement
Jefferson Land Trust acknowledges that the lands we work to preserve are within the traditional Indigenous tribal lands of the S’Klallam, Chemakum, Twana, Suquamish and other Indigenous peoples. These Indigenous peoples are the original stewards of these lands and waters, since time immemorial. Jefferson Land Trust recognizes that European and American colonization irrevocably changed the homeland and ecosystem of the Tribes, effectively destroying traditional land access and ways of life.
WAIT FOR IT
We also recognize that the current system of land ownership and private conservation that we operate within has created, and continues to create, NEGATIVE IMPACTS on many marginalized communities. Working in conjunction with local Indigenous peoples and marginalized communities, Jefferson Land Trust will RECOGNIZE THIS IMMEASURABLE DISRUPTION and we will strive to lessen the negative impacts of our work, creating a future wherein we seek to deepen our partnerships together and create positive change.
Oh for the love of God! Lucky I had a puppy potty bag in my pocket bc there was no way to not gag, choke and vomit!
Good Info! Now Port Ludlow is scratched off list for forever home shopping. Plus all the chemicals to keep the golf course green! When are we going to just admit golfing has lost its charm, pesticides are heavily tied to living on courses and Parkinson’s disease.
Any place that has a political “guilt” clause on the menu, I’m not going. Seriously, nothing like a good puke before lunch.
WTH?? No this deserves the WTAFF,Darlene? From Ozark the series.
Susan, Jefferson County isn't suffering like Clallam County so there is no squeaky wheel to oil - yet.
Covered a lot of liberal territory there. We've got patriarchy, colonization, white privilege and subjugation. Well done, there libs. You missed out on the pox and alcoholism that the white man brought in, but forgot about the treaties, land agreements and casinos benefitting the tribes. This sovereignty thing is a cash cow.
Teri, I felt so guilty I wanted to drown myself in a dog washing tub. ; (
Jennifer, we could spend the rest of our lives demanding reparations for various indignities that our ancestors suffered at other's hands. It would be a disaster of epic proportions because, truth be known, I, for one, don't have any recollection of ever having taken anyone's land, loved one, property, money or culture. And I'm too big to drown myself in a dog washing tub...unless it's a really big tub.
It's just another con.
So has the operator of the establishment signed over all their property titles to the immeasurably impacted groups before serving a side of shame with your meal? Does nobody ever wonder what is the end game for these acknowledgements? Maybe when we have to introduce ourseleves for public comment at city and county meetings we should add if we "cede" our property rights to such claims or not? It reminds me of lyrics to the Indigo Girls song "Galileo" -"... and now I'm serving time for mistakes made by another in another lifetime. How long til my soul gets it right, can any human being ever reach that kind of light."
Thanks for this. We don’t eat out much, so I might have missed something like this. I’ll be sure to pay attention going forward.
Like double the salmon spawning, saving water and protecting property. If only you had a casino or gas station..
Yes, where is our provided casino that we collect tax on but don’t forward monies to county or feds. I want my God given piece of the action that will generate wealth to secure my family for generations. No audits. No paper work ever! No names or SS#’s. I want my piece of Anacortes that Grandma Harvey stepped off a boat as a child when the city began. How about acreage where Grandma Kelley rode by wagon with three little sisters from Illinois to Colorado to grow feed for an ever increasing cattle industry. I’m an American, I have history, we all do. Why is ours not a talking point? My relatives never killed tribe members, or stole from them. My relatives never spoke racist slurs about natives or persons of color. That is a newer addition to our culture, sadly.
I still want my damn casino!
Looking back on that age old question..."do you eat"? Wendy Rae Johnson is so full of herself she shouldn't have to worry about eating for a very long time.
You all have found what my sense of humor appreciates... this is too funny!
Thank you Jake and Jeff! This was great and so looking forward to the 23rd. Golly sure hope many many folks show up.
I love your short hair! You didn't say anything about my short hair.
I really want you to do a Michael Jackson cover. 🎶 Read it- just read it 🤣
Now I can't get that out of my head.
It's "only" $ 5.00. If "only" that were true. It is "another" $ 5.00 to be added onto property tax, sales tax, capital gains tax, school bonds, fuel taxes, income taxes, business and occupation taxes, "free" transportation, drug rehabilitation, arts and cultural costs, publicly sponsored festivals and events and likely much more I am unaware of. I am very pro-environment. I do not want the CCD making my interest and/or personal investment in environmental health a mandatory tax. I would gladly give more than $ 5.00 to establish a Clallam County DOGE department which would find far more than this "only" $ 5.00 in the form of waste fraud and abuse. Government and NGOs are self propagating, insatiable, tax consuming entities. We need oversight; not another tax.
Garry, I've been following (I never comment) on Next Door. They are led to believe that it is a one time $5 for this year. Several comments said, "Well, I can do that" without even knowing where, when or how the $5 will affect them. Several contributors on ND don't give all the facts just a short sentence that sounds good. The few on ND dominate the site...except Marge Rassel, she keeps plugging away. Hang in there Marge!
A forensic audit which is much better than DOGE.
Kristin, hate to say it, but who would they hire for a forensic audit? Local auditors? Who would choose them? The "good ole boy" is pretty entrenched. I rather like the DOGE philosophy, move fast, hard and break things. Or hire outside auditors? Don't know, but yes, you are right, there should be an audit.
Would most likely pay for itself with the crooks on the city council and county comminisers
Trained forensic auditors
A forensic audit involves a detailed examination and evaluation of a firm’s or individual’s financial records. The goal is to derive evidence that can be used in a court of law or other legal proceedings.
Forensic auditing is a specialization within accounting, and is often required when there is suspicion of fraud, embezzlement, or other financial crimes.
Forensic audits cover a wide range of investigative activities. A forensic audit is often conducted to prosecute a party for fraud, embezzlement, or other financial crimes. In the process of a forensic audit, the auditor may be called to serve as an expert witness during trial proceedings. Forensic audits could also involve situations that do not include financial fraud, such as disputes related to bankruptcy filings, business closures, and divorces.
Jeff, I'm ready for you to announce our next Commissioners to replace our Kommissars.
We need to address the fund raising, platforms, strategy sooner than later.
It's all eyes on District 3 next year (West Port Angeles to the coast). French is next up for reelection, if he decides to run. We should know sometime next spring.
we have a saying in my family says Jeff..
“feelings are like treasures, so go bury them”
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i just cant!! LOL
Jeff!!
We just sat down to “listen” to CCWD podcast!
LOL
You keep me in stitches! 😂
Thank God for a sense of humor sir.
PS.
Don’t put the EO’s ( essential oils ) up your nose. Never.
You are welcome.🙌🏻
LLP.
Lemon Lavender Peppermint
Ok, Jake!
Bringin’ more and more receipts!
Will they have any choice not to listen.?
No.
I bet over 1,000 signatures.
That was brilliant.
Thank you for getting it in the chamber Calendar Jeff.
This means something.
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Excellent article Patriot Jake Seegers~!
I really like the question regarding the Commissioners weighing the question of ethics of others before they make any decisions, however my greatest concern is the obvious lack of ethics in the Commissioners themselves~! If these Commissioners are not constantly committing crimes and destroying the public trust on a regular basis, then "we" (Clallam County) need to enact more laws that these Commissioners must follow, or they need to face criminal prosecutions, jail or prison sentences and personal fines~! The Commissioners have time & time again proven that they do not possess any remotely reasonable ethic capabilities/capacity, so who are they to judge ithers about their ethics~? I believe that is the key question with regard to our County Commissioners, with VERY rare exceptions... Have a great Sunday and thanks for the great efforts for our community~!
Sincerely, Mike
This is about USAID. But could just as well be CCAID.
https://youtu.be/Hu4RsnEk8lY?si=7HVZrrfHefZkzrRG
Wow, that was a great explanation!
Laymans terms?