Excellent points Jeff. I am highly suspicious that anything of cultural significance was found anywhere near the ridge. The primary determining factor for placement of a village was water. There is nothing like that on the ridge. It is extremely difficult to access by foot and uninhabitable until the snow is gone. Whatever was found, if anything, was something left in transit. If that is allowed to be culturally significant and we allow the tribes to claim domain over anywhere their ancestors may have walked hundreds or more years ago, we have given up and the future of public and private land ownership on the peninsula is bleak.
It's a clandestine coup. All of it. Planned NWO takeover with installed, infiltrated agents carrying out orders...bypassing public input and gaslighting and manipulating their way into power.
I guess the flocks are just too stupid...but what recourse does a flock have?...Resistance is futile when you're a flock...you either go where you are herded or escape and get picked off by the predators.
Sorry to be so negative...just calling it as I sees it!😎
It doesn't seem to be too clandestine. It's in the open for all to see. I don't believe the tribes are working with some NWO to push that agenda, but are taking advantage of every situation possible to claim what they think belongs to them. Future history will prove if we the conquerors will allow the conquered to overthrow us through guilt alone, but it's sure headed that way.
Guilt seems to be the common denominator and motivation that continues to push the majority around. Congrats to the tribe, they found our empathy button, how about not pushing it 24/7?
I don’t believe our local tribes were conquered. We tried to make them equals and even gave them “safe spaces” so they could take their time and get used to the new dominant, and superior, culture. We gave money and assistance.
Reservations should only be considered as temporary. They are “vations,” reserved for them as glorified Home Owner Associations, not nations.
I made a note to myself to look into the Indian Civil Rights Act. How much evil has it spawned?
Critical thinking demands that you question everything. Many times the Occam's Razor is the answer. The simplest explanation. It is difficult to imagine a group of men, women, children, and old people leaving the safe and comfortable villages along the coast to hike 6700 feet straight up in the spring after snow has melted. It's also difficult to believe that berries and deer would be tempting enough to undertake such a physical endeavor when berries, deer, salmon, clams, crab, ducks, were all plentiful on the coast.
The simplest explanation is a small hunting party dropped something or camped for a few days sometime in the past. OR.... Someone in present times has planted something to obtain a desired political outcome.
I don't think there is any in between. It's one of those two explanations.
Or early largely Caucasian funded expeditions and explorers inadvertently dropped something used or borrowed by coastal tribes…with the plethora of resources in lower elevations, I can’t believe any tribe, especially water centric tribes with no horses would ever be compelled to climb up to that height.
I find it interesting that a: nothing was found until after the lodge “caught fire” the second time and 2: The area is of such significance that it is eligible to be in the national register of historic places. Can it be on the register AND be a secret? How does that work? There’s a site here that’s super significant, but don’t ask me about it. 🙄
This is what I think. The fire is suspicious. No cause was determined. The tribe gets involved because of some significant discovery but there is no proof of it. How can the Federal Government allow this "local" issue to dictate to it? Tribal rights or not. Because it was federal land, there should have been more transparency regarding the discovery to justify relinquishing it to the local Tribes. This also could have been a case to argue in court. Nothing? Hmmmm... I smell crap.
This is a topic that we must all (taxpayers of Clallam County) care about. The.lodge burning mess is a soapbox topic for me.
My personal thoughts:
- I completely reject that this area is part of any archeologically significant site. It's absolutely bullshit and must be proven beyond a shadow of doubt!
- I recall some WA Representative tried to submit a plan/request for ~$40 Million 2-3 years ago. Naturally it got rejected. What a liberal dumbass thinking that the available funding is unlimited. Why not ask for $5M for Phase 1, and a total of $15 spread over 10 years and 3 phases!? Phase 1 would be an extendable structure but include concessions and bathrooms. Water can be collected, stored or found via a well.
- Since the Park is under Federal Jurisdiction, then we need to lobby the Feds.
- The group that should really be pushing for a quick rebuild is the Clallam County Business Development Org. Where is this lame group!? They should be all over this topic!! This Group should be working with the Chamber and more lobbying anyone that will listen.
-The Tribe has NO standing or Claim to the National Park, any more that anyone else in the County. IF the Tribe wants to pay for some space in the finished lodge to teach some of their minor history, then fine.
The tribe, nor anyone else should bribe their way into using public property for their indoctrination. Eddie Bauer, et al. have shot product promotionals at La Poel and other locations at Lake Crescent, closing the area to the public for a couple of days for a "fee", while Rangers were posted to keep the public out. The National Park Service/DOI referred to such practices as "concessions" akin to Lake Crescent Lodge, Sol Duc Hot Springs, etc. Yet the publicly owned lands command an Entrance Fee, currently at $30 to access, even Hurricane Ridge, not including a Reservation and fee for camping, and other associated costs to enjoy "Your National Park".
I’m Leary of what they have found. Before the new elwha bridge went in, they had an archaeological site set up for months. My late husband stopped one day and asked if they found anything, they said no. He informed them they won’t, this was a store and cabins for people to rent for lake aldwell. Remember what happened down st the Port.
241 million spent last year on lobbying (legalized bribery ),campaign contributions for both parties.Follow the money that's all that is going on here.The tribes spend millions so they get what they want .The Canadian timber industry under the gize of environmentalism as we hear the politicians always say get what they want a shut down of tens of thousands of timber land to keep their prices up a 220.billion dollar industry .The corporations spend millions to fund these drug programs to pacify people keep them on welfare so they don't demand jobs like mills .,factories that could compete .The oil companies who are cozy with the tribes fund dam removal clean energy .The politicians controlled by their party greedily take the campaign money to promote these programs that don't work ,but enable people to stay on drugs.When.real.compassion is the time tested true letting people hit rock bottom.then when they have had enough and make them.make the decision.to change and want to get help.The current approach has turned Port Angeles into the third highest city in the state for fentanyl deaths look it up .It's bankrupted OMC with ODs everyday so locals have to go to Seattle ,Silverdale for their care so the hospital has been in a downward spiral for years. A no management 9-5 hospital where no supervision head doctor so you have emergency room doctor who was raping young girls who OD and the lawsuits that have followed. Its not ever Us vs Them it's always Us vs Elitism those that have the money to buy political favors corruption from having a monopoly 2 party system where both parties politicians getting rich are laughing at the people behind the scenes who think it's all real the staged arguments .Why people have to get involved educate themselves not indulge in conspiracy theories which just a excuse not to do anything and understand what is real going on. Which anyone can see it's all about money how it's corrupted our government at all levels and we together as a community (come into unity) to solve the problems not being divided over petty politics used to divide us.
Everyone should not be allowed to vote. Citizens who receive government reimbursement either through employment or recompense should be restricted from the process. Since I view excessive taxes as a form of robbery I will always be divided from the herd.
You’re 100% right. What kind of fool would vote to STOP the handouts they are receiving? This alone is a conflict of interest, and reason enough to deny the right to vote, IMO.
Steve O, be careful what you wish for....start stripping the right to vote and you open a whole can of worms. I find it hard to believe that women weren't allowed to vote until 1920 with the 19th Amendment. All US Citizens should have freedoms and voting is one of them.
I agree, all US Citizens should have the right to vote. Are people who consider themselves member of a sovereign nation a citizen? Since as sovereign citizens they do not have the same tax burden, should the money they receive from our pockets be considered foreign aid?
Sarah, this is a hot topic, and Trump opened it up in his first term. I have the same questions and it needs to be resolved. Let's hope its sooner than later.
This 14th Amendment is where they made us ALL SUBJECT to the jurisdiction...there in lies our biggest problem...we thought it an honor to be 'equal' under the law, but 'they' converted us from (natural men and women) into "SUBJECTS" (citizens) "UNDER" the law...beneath the law...SUBJECT to the law...we are literally SUBJECTS! Now we know why gov't LORDS IT OVER US and only gives the appearance of cooperating with us to placate us (and infuriate those who understand what's really going on.)😱
Sound about right, to me. Some kind of "foreign aid". If they want to be separate, then let them be separate. Quit granting them projects that can go to tax-paying companies.
Well, mostly government 'spongers' (employees and officials) and leftists vote now, so maybe it just doesn't matter.
Only people with 'standing' should be able to vote and 'standing' should be based on higher moral laws and values, not subjective desires and ideologies.
Robert, then who determines who has 'standing'? Are all government employees 'spongers', and who would determine that? I was a government employee, who would have decided if I could vote?
The spongers are ones who provide no real value but take up space and salaries. The kommissars have held open positions in the budget for 'middle manager type' (not filled and probably not needed) positions while cutting actual workers.
I can't be specific in that regard but government will replicate itself until it runs out of 'our' money or collapses under it's own inefficiencies and corruption...I don't personally know which positions are sponger positions but those in gov't tend to vote for whichever party keeps the status quo alive with no restrictions or 'efficiencies imposed upon it.
When 'cornered' gov't agents will always cut positions in essential services in order to punish 'the people' who dare to question their authority. So I wasn't meaning to disparage anyone in particular, only the general way the gov't operates.😊
That's the whole point. 'They' decide who has standing based on corrupt legalism perverting the law of the land, natural law, higher law.
Governments operate under Color of Law...legalistic (false) law which separates, divides and conquers and which is a perversion of (Right Law...Do Unto Others Law, Natural Law...the kind of law every sane person would agree is fair and right and just.)
We should ALL have equal 'standing' IN the law but we don't because of perversion, for power and control.
And many of the parasitic controllers are perverted in ways we don't even want to think about.
Once females entered the workforce Joe Lunchpail became obsolete. A female lawyer or MD will not marry a man who wears a tool belt. Those vagrants living in tents would have been married a few decades ago. Now their lives have lost meaning. I don't believe that economics can be separated from culture.
An additional element inside the equation is the pressure on housing prices caused by Third World migration and crime. In Los Angeles residents prayed a handsome price to live inside a safe community.
The concept of America First should forbid any foreign meddling popular among neo-con warriors. Our country at one time was energy independent. We don't need to involve ourselves in Middle East affairs.
I know female lawyers who are married to "a man who wears a tool belt". I only know one hand specialist (Orthopedist) who is married to a builder. However, "tool belt" is just an expression. Anyone who wears a tool belt is stupid. Those things will eventually give you back problems. Keep the tools, except the ones that you're using, on the ground in your tool bag.
Government employees should not be allowed to vote, either!
Conflict of interest!
I saw, not verified, that Gates purchased the intellectual rights to the phrase 'conflict of interest' and no one can use it without his 'permission', so use it freely but not so much it becomes another trope!😊
I find nothing that supports this. While "Olympics" did secure the word, nearly exclusively, generic phrases in common use, and especially those that are considered legal terms, are hard to snag.
I realize he's a jerk... so many examples, like how in 2015 he tried to market Vidalia Onions grown in Florida as from Georgia (in violation of the Georgia Vidalia Onion Act of 1986) because he figured he could do what he wanted, and why not?
The Gates Foundation has had many conflicts of interest... especially throwing his money at journalists, and institutions that are then beholden to not speak badly of the guy. He buys his "good name" for ego's sake.
I have met him, sold product for him, had dinner with him (more than once), and used to do work for him (personally). I know much about his background, and his many flaws as a human. But, "conflict of interest" is not his.
I can only speak to his "perv" status -- as that's what I've heard about. Pedo wouldn't surprise me, as he was a fan of "vaginal rental" (hookers r us) and is just more than a tad weird. I have stories.... but, not for this forum. ;-)
Here’s the down side of “Conspiracy Theories” so often they are true. Keep the masses fighting with each other so they won’t watch what the government is doing!
Don’t dismiss information bc you don’t like who brought it to the table.
Lemme get this straight Man. As Cosby would say. Your going come to Washington to pay 190 dollars a night to stay in a hotel and pay 50 bucks for a steak and sides, and have nowhere to go number 1 or number 2, without carefully stepping over hypodermic needles or not at all because of a sanitation limit, and get a cut on the back of your head or worse getting one strait to the chin while your paying 70 dollars to fill your gas tank...and then singing the cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn again for 3 hours to go 70 miles...and make reservations again next year.
The sooner we get rid of the international and tribal "consortium" the better we will be.
190 a night? What budget place are YOU staying at? That's about 1/2 the cost of a room, with TAXES and fees, that anyone is actually paying during the "off-season".
Sequim West is $190 or so. Sundowner in Sequim by the 101 diner 90 bucks but I would sleep in my car first. 220 at the Red Lion. But your point is well taken.
I think that he meant the park fees, to camp in the park. Thus, the "needles" issue. That implied a camp stay with the rest of the squatters. Sounds about right.
All evil empires fall, but we're not in charge of the timeline, unfortunately.
As long as we are in bodies, in this realm, we're gonna have problems.
Free-will zones are extremely dangerous places to hang out!
Do your best and pray your way out of this hell-hole!😊
Truthing and advocating are worthy activities, but sociopaths have a way of side-stepping things...and they have a lot of friends in both high and LOW places!
Thanks for all you do, John. Never mind my negativity!🙂
Olym has determined that the undertaking may have an adverse effect on two archaeological sites, which are eligible for listing in the National Register of Historic Places and has consulted with the Washington State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO)
Olym has also consulted with the Port Gamble S'Klallam Tribe, JAMESTOWN S’KALLAM TRIBE, and Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe (Tribes), for which the two sites have cultural significance, and has invited the Tribes to sign the MOA as concurring parties
Rehab of the Hurricane Ridge water and wastewater systems were completed prior to the rehab of the Visitor Center, itself, and the resulting pyre. Timing of events raises questions that have remained unanswered or pursued. The finding of artifacts during the water/wastewater systems rehab, and prior to the then-underway VC rehab, was a death knell, and quite timely, one could surmise.
Robert, the tribes aren't about their culture anymore. Little to none speak their original language. Their heritage celebrations are symbolic of a past that very few of the younger generations respect or practice (as is happening in all of the cultures) It is just business and power with a native facade.
Power shifting hands, like shifting sands...what were we thinking coming here, anyway? Did we think we could 'fix' it? Did we think we wouldn't get 'caught up' in it? Angels flying too close to the ground?😊
No matter what the topic or issue, it is going to be about how much taxpayer $$$ they are after and will use any excuse & trickery to get it.This will not change until people that are ignorant to the facts smarten up.
When I lived at the top of Hooker road, we found a massive stash of arrowhead and ax heads. Many were from the Midwest as we had a dealer assess them. They were not typical to the area. Best guess is someone lost their stash. If anything was found even higher up as the park, it most likely would be a similar scenario imo!
Somewhere I have a document showing the Park asking Jack Delguzzi and other city leaders what they thought about park policy. Back when we could actually put "heads in beds" instead of the morgue.
Whomever constitutes "The Tribes" live lives with powered cars, trucks, boats, computers, cell phones, etc.. They use our transportation system, media, airwaves and all other infrastructure. This absurd preoccupation with ancestry carries no, none, "0" logic. The ancestry of every human now living on planet earth is dead, as in no longer living. I'm not dismissing spirituality, but most, if not all societies honor the living to Govern themselves; not the dead. Regarding ancestry, why does one ancestry matter, while another does not ? Who was the first of the first nations ? Who preceded the JKT ancestors ? Where are the exact genealogical and chronological points that verify a person living today is "native" and/or non-native. If this ancestry cultism is to be followed, we should all be paying homage to Homo erectus or Australopithecus or ? If local "tribes" want ancestral recognition at Hurricane Ridge they can first obtain permission from our Department of the Interior which oversees our National Parks. If permission is obtained, they can then pay for and build same. Regardless, the land is owned by the Government of the U.S.A.; bones and all.
LOL! All land is stolen land. American Indians were a stone age species lacking a written language and an understanding of math and science. Technically they weren't indigenous. Originally, they were from Asia. When their feet crossed The Bering Strait, no humans existed on The North American Continent.
There were some entities here before...ceremonially buried giants' remains were found all over the place...Abe Lincoln acknowledged it in a speech at Niagra Falls.
The newspapers used to report on it before they were completely corrupted.
It has been systematically 'debunked' and hidden by (somebodies) for a hundred years +.
The Anunnaki (Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets) were probably the first 'claimants' to occupy Earth in the last million years or so~.
They left written records of their occupation and activities.
Thank you! Finally! Really. My husband is Czech. He was born there. He's a naturalized citizen of the US. I am a native American. I was born here. So, when they ask on surveys about my ethnicity and there is an option that says "Native American", I always check that box. I was born here. That makes me native to this land.
What happened to the blood quantum of 1/8? What does that do for Ron Allen's grandchildren? They wouldn't be eligible for membership to the tribe, at 1/16 blood quantum. So, if they are willing to "water down" the blood quantum, that opens up membership for more people. Wouldn't it?
1/8th or 1/16th of what ? Homo Erectus ? If whatever tribal governance in place recognizes one as a tribal member, genetics or blood does not matter. If the JKT governance recognizes Taylor Swift as a tribal member, so it is. European royalty of old learned that incest yielded damaged progeny. This absurd insanity of blood line ancestral rights is destined to end.
So, if I left something on Tribal property, and someone found it several decades later, could it be classified as "sensitive"? And all further construction and tourism would be stopped until further notice? Hmm. I wonder how the Tribes would respond?
The NPS has a rule about something being of historical value because it's been there for more than 50 years. So basically if someone popped a Rainer beer cap sitting up there 50+ years ago it could be an artifact.
The 50-year rule has a significant influence on historic preservation in the United States.
This is a US National Park paid for by US taxpayers. The tribes are exempt from taxes and therefore should have NO voice there. If the tribes want a voice in US territorial / park decisions, they should be paying their share of TAXES to have valid claim to that voice.
Alan, for some reason we have been indoctrinated with the idea that Native Americans love the land more than anyone else, therefore should be the "stewards". That is a ridiculous notion, has no merit and is flawed in so may ways.
Don, it won't ever be enough until they control all. Land, Water, Business and Highways
Tribal Comprehensive Plan spells it all out. The takeover has been planned since 2016 or before. Below is the website and a few snippets in their words.
The Jamestown S'Klallam Tribe initially acquired roughly ten acres of fee lands in Blyn in 1986, which it then had converted to reservation land, for the Tribal Campus and future Casino. IT HAS BEEN THE TRIBE’S INTENT FROM THAT TIME FORWARD TO CONTINUE ACQUIRING LANDS FOR REBUILDING THE TRIBE’S LAND BASE AND FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, for instance, by in-filling between the Campus and the southwestern edge of the Blyn basin.
The Jamestown S'Klallam Tribe has an extremely close and long lasting relationship with its natural resources….Our usual and accustomed fishing areas stretch from the mouth throughout the length of the Strait of Juan de Fuca, the San Juan Islands, Admiralty Inlet and Hood Canal.
MUCH OF OUR TRIBAL COMMERCE AND DEVELOPMENT WILL DEPEND ON THE CAPABILITY OF US HIGHWAY 101 to function efficiently as a regional traffic corridor, and provide safe local access. SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE CORRIDOR SHOULD BE TIMED WITH TRIBAL LAND DEVELOPMENT.
The key for the Tribe is to use our COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGES when considering development in any of the TARGETED INDUSTRIES. The primary growth industries which we believe will create new employment and career opportunities are tourism, high-tech businesses, healthcare and medical supplies, marine services and commercial/residential construction
Excellent points Jeff. I am highly suspicious that anything of cultural significance was found anywhere near the ridge. The primary determining factor for placement of a village was water. There is nothing like that on the ridge. It is extremely difficult to access by foot and uninhabitable until the snow is gone. Whatever was found, if anything, was something left in transit. If that is allowed to be culturally significant and we allow the tribes to claim domain over anywhere their ancestors may have walked hundreds or more years ago, we have given up and the future of public and private land ownership on the peninsula is bleak.
It's a clandestine coup. All of it. Planned NWO takeover with installed, infiltrated agents carrying out orders...bypassing public input and gaslighting and manipulating their way into power.
I guess the flocks are just too stupid...but what recourse does a flock have?...Resistance is futile when you're a flock...you either go where you are herded or escape and get picked off by the predators.
Sorry to be so negative...just calling it as I sees it!😎
It doesn't seem to be too clandestine. It's in the open for all to see. I don't believe the tribes are working with some NWO to push that agenda, but are taking advantage of every situation possible to claim what they think belongs to them. Future history will prove if we the conquerors will allow the conquered to overthrow us through guilt alone, but it's sure headed that way.
I agree, it is becoming more apparent to more real people, thankfully!
Guilt and shame have been used to control us for eons of time.
Time for change! It's going to happen anyway, one way or another, might as well be awake for the ride!😊
Guilt seems to be the common denominator and motivation that continues to push the majority around. Congrats to the tribe, they found our empathy button, how about not pushing it 24/7?
I don’t believe our local tribes were conquered. We tried to make them equals and even gave them “safe spaces” so they could take their time and get used to the new dominant, and superior, culture. We gave money and assistance.
Reservations should only be considered as temporary. They are “vations,” reserved for them as glorified Home Owner Associations, not nations.
I made a note to myself to look into the Indian Civil Rights Act. How much evil has it spawned?
You see it as I see it.
How do we know it isn't being seeded?
Critical thinking demands that you question everything. Many times the Occam's Razor is the answer. The simplest explanation. It is difficult to imagine a group of men, women, children, and old people leaving the safe and comfortable villages along the coast to hike 6700 feet straight up in the spring after snow has melted. It's also difficult to believe that berries and deer would be tempting enough to undertake such a physical endeavor when berries, deer, salmon, clams, crab, ducks, were all plentiful on the coast.
The simplest explanation is a small hunting party dropped something or camped for a few days sometime in the past. OR.... Someone in present times has planted something to obtain a desired political outcome.
I don't think there is any in between. It's one of those two explanations.
Or early largely Caucasian funded expeditions and explorers inadvertently dropped something used or borrowed by coastal tribes…with the plethora of resources in lower elevations, I can’t believe any tribe, especially water centric tribes with no horses would ever be compelled to climb up to that height.
CRT is the only critical thinking being accepted, with an emphasis on "theory".
I find it interesting that a: nothing was found until after the lodge “caught fire” the second time and 2: The area is of such significance that it is eligible to be in the national register of historic places. Can it be on the register AND be a secret? How does that work? There’s a site here that’s super significant, but don’t ask me about it. 🙄
This is what I think. The fire is suspicious. No cause was determined. The tribe gets involved because of some significant discovery but there is no proof of it. How can the Federal Government allow this "local" issue to dictate to it? Tribal rights or not. Because it was federal land, there should have been more transparency regarding the discovery to justify relinquishing it to the local Tribes. This also could have been a case to argue in court. Nothing? Hmmmm... I smell crap.
Nice article @Jeff Tozzer!
This is a topic that we must all (taxpayers of Clallam County) care about. The.lodge burning mess is a soapbox topic for me.
My personal thoughts:
- I completely reject that this area is part of any archeologically significant site. It's absolutely bullshit and must be proven beyond a shadow of doubt!
- I recall some WA Representative tried to submit a plan/request for ~$40 Million 2-3 years ago. Naturally it got rejected. What a liberal dumbass thinking that the available funding is unlimited. Why not ask for $5M for Phase 1, and a total of $15 spread over 10 years and 3 phases!? Phase 1 would be an extendable structure but include concessions and bathrooms. Water can be collected, stored or found via a well.
- Since the Park is under Federal Jurisdiction, then we need to lobby the Feds.
- The group that should really be pushing for a quick rebuild is the Clallam County Business Development Org. Where is this lame group!? They should be all over this topic!! This Group should be working with the Chamber and more lobbying anyone that will listen.
-The Tribe has NO standing or Claim to the National Park, any more that anyone else in the County. IF the Tribe wants to pay for some space in the finished lodge to teach some of their minor history, then fine.
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The tribe, nor anyone else should bribe their way into using public property for their indoctrination. Eddie Bauer, et al. have shot product promotionals at La Poel and other locations at Lake Crescent, closing the area to the public for a couple of days for a "fee", while Rangers were posted to keep the public out. The National Park Service/DOI referred to such practices as "concessions" akin to Lake Crescent Lodge, Sol Duc Hot Springs, etc. Yet the publicly owned lands command an Entrance Fee, currently at $30 to access, even Hurricane Ridge, not including a Reservation and fee for camping, and other associated costs to enjoy "Your National Park".
I’m Leary of what they have found. Before the new elwha bridge went in, they had an archaeological site set up for months. My late husband stopped one day and asked if they found anything, they said no. He informed them they won’t, this was a store and cabins for people to rent for lake aldwell. Remember what happened down st the Port.
241 million spent last year on lobbying (legalized bribery ),campaign contributions for both parties.Follow the money that's all that is going on here.The tribes spend millions so they get what they want .The Canadian timber industry under the gize of environmentalism as we hear the politicians always say get what they want a shut down of tens of thousands of timber land to keep their prices up a 220.billion dollar industry .The corporations spend millions to fund these drug programs to pacify people keep them on welfare so they don't demand jobs like mills .,factories that could compete .The oil companies who are cozy with the tribes fund dam removal clean energy .The politicians controlled by their party greedily take the campaign money to promote these programs that don't work ,but enable people to stay on drugs.When.real.compassion is the time tested true letting people hit rock bottom.then when they have had enough and make them.make the decision.to change and want to get help.The current approach has turned Port Angeles into the third highest city in the state for fentanyl deaths look it up .It's bankrupted OMC with ODs everyday so locals have to go to Seattle ,Silverdale for their care so the hospital has been in a downward spiral for years. A no management 9-5 hospital where no supervision head doctor so you have emergency room doctor who was raping young girls who OD and the lawsuits that have followed. Its not ever Us vs Them it's always Us vs Elitism those that have the money to buy political favors corruption from having a monopoly 2 party system where both parties politicians getting rich are laughing at the people behind the scenes who think it's all real the staged arguments .Why people have to get involved educate themselves not indulge in conspiracy theories which just a excuse not to do anything and understand what is real going on. Which anyone can see it's all about money how it's corrupted our government at all levels and we together as a community (come into unity) to solve the problems not being divided over petty politics used to divide us.
Everyone should not be allowed to vote. Citizens who receive government reimbursement either through employment or recompense should be restricted from the process. Since I view excessive taxes as a form of robbery I will always be divided from the herd.
You’re 100% right. What kind of fool would vote to STOP the handouts they are receiving? This alone is a conflict of interest, and reason enough to deny the right to vote, IMO.
Steve O, be careful what you wish for....start stripping the right to vote and you open a whole can of worms. I find it hard to believe that women weren't allowed to vote until 1920 with the 19th Amendment. All US Citizens should have freedoms and voting is one of them.
I agree, all US Citizens should have the right to vote. Are people who consider themselves member of a sovereign nation a citizen? Since as sovereign citizens they do not have the same tax burden, should the money they receive from our pockets be considered foreign aid?
Uninformed, gov't dependent citizens, are a catastrophe to truth, justice and liberty!😊
Sarah, this is a hot topic, and Trump opened it up in his first term. I have the same questions and it needs to be resolved. Let's hope its sooner than later.
I believe a sovereign Tribes ability to vote will boil down to the 14th Amendment and these 9 words below:
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION, thereof, ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES .........
Subject to the jurisdiction? In my humble opinion that means obeying the same rules and regulations as me.Not the case
If you become a citizen of a foreign country, do you still vote here?
This 14th Amendment is where they made us ALL SUBJECT to the jurisdiction...there in lies our biggest problem...we thought it an honor to be 'equal' under the law, but 'they' converted us from (natural men and women) into "SUBJECTS" (citizens) "UNDER" the law...beneath the law...SUBJECT to the law...we are literally SUBJECTS! Now we know why gov't LORDS IT OVER US and only gives the appearance of cooperating with us to placate us (and infuriate those who understand what's really going on.)😱
Sound about right, to me. Some kind of "foreign aid". If they want to be separate, then let them be separate. Quit granting them projects that can go to tax-paying companies.
Well, mostly government 'spongers' (employees and officials) and leftists vote now, so maybe it just doesn't matter.
Only people with 'standing' should be able to vote and 'standing' should be based on higher moral laws and values, not subjective desires and ideologies.
Believe it or not...there IS a right and wrong!😊
Robert, then who determines who has 'standing'? Are all government employees 'spongers', and who would determine that? I was a government employee, who would have decided if I could vote?
The spongers are ones who provide no real value but take up space and salaries. The kommissars have held open positions in the budget for 'middle manager type' (not filled and probably not needed) positions while cutting actual workers.
I can't be specific in that regard but government will replicate itself until it runs out of 'our' money or collapses under it's own inefficiencies and corruption...I don't personally know which positions are sponger positions but those in gov't tend to vote for whichever party keeps the status quo alive with no restrictions or 'efficiencies imposed upon it.
When 'cornered' gov't agents will always cut positions in essential services in order to punish 'the people' who dare to question their authority. So I wasn't meaning to disparage anyone in particular, only the general way the gov't operates.😊
That's the whole point. 'They' decide who has standing based on corrupt legalism perverting the law of the land, natural law, higher law.
Governments operate under Color of Law...legalistic (false) law which separates, divides and conquers and which is a perversion of (Right Law...Do Unto Others Law, Natural Law...the kind of law every sane person would agree is fair and right and just.)
We should ALL have equal 'standing' IN the law but we don't because of perversion, for power and control.
And many of the parasitic controllers are perverted in ways we don't even want to think about.
Satan's domain...for now.😊
Well, we build nations on ideals and have never achieved anything close to perfection, so there is that!
Can't legislate morals and legislators don't need very high ones to operate. Why do we even try?😊
Once females entered the workforce Joe Lunchpail became obsolete. A female lawyer or MD will not marry a man who wears a tool belt. Those vagrants living in tents would have been married a few decades ago. Now their lives have lost meaning. I don't believe that economics can be separated from culture.
Good observation! Right ways and wrong ways ARE a Thing!😊
An additional element inside the equation is the pressure on housing prices caused by Third World migration and crime. In Los Angeles residents prayed a handsome price to live inside a safe community.
The concept of America First should forbid any foreign meddling popular among neo-con warriors. Our country at one time was energy independent. We don't need to involve ourselves in Middle East affairs.
The corrupt gov't is having its own 'affairs'!
We need a Burning Man type storm on all the corrupt capitols of the nation and states!
Make it loud and clear! Bring it!😎
More to come!🤨
I know female lawyers who are married to "a man who wears a tool belt". I only know one hand specialist (Orthopedist) who is married to a builder. However, "tool belt" is just an expression. Anyone who wears a tool belt is stupid. Those things will eventually give you back problems. Keep the tools, except the ones that you're using, on the ground in your tool bag.
Government employees should not be allowed to vote, either!
Conflict of interest!
I saw, not verified, that Gates purchased the intellectual rights to the phrase 'conflict of interest' and no one can use it without his 'permission', so use it freely but not so much it becomes another trope!😊
I find nothing that supports this. While "Olympics" did secure the word, nearly exclusively, generic phrases in common use, and especially those that are considered legal terms, are hard to snag.
I realize he's a jerk... so many examples, like how in 2015 he tried to market Vidalia Onions grown in Florida as from Georgia (in violation of the Georgia Vidalia Onion Act of 1986) because he figured he could do what he wanted, and why not?
The Gates Foundation has had many conflicts of interest... especially throwing his money at journalists, and institutions that are then beholden to not speak badly of the guy. He buys his "good name" for ego's sake.
I have met him, sold product for him, had dinner with him (more than once), and used to do work for him (personally). I know much about his background, and his many flaws as a human. But, "conflict of interest" is not his.
Ok, then, he embodies the phrase! Thanks for your feedback!😊
And I did say "not verified"...thanks for checking!
What about his pedo-status?
All circumstantial, I suppose!😊
I can only speak to his "perv" status -- as that's what I've heard about. Pedo wouldn't surprise me, as he was a fan of "vaginal rental" (hookers r us) and is just more than a tad weird. I have stories.... but, not for this forum. ;-)
Hope you have a bio tucked away for future revelations!🤓
And here I was going to eat my breakfast while reading …. Now , not so much.
Here’s the down side of “Conspiracy Theories” so often they are true. Keep the masses fighting with each other so they won’t watch what the government is doing!
Don’t dismiss information bc you don’t like who brought it to the table.
Exactly
Research Legal vs Lawful! Horrifying!😇
That's exactly where we have two archaeology sites, nudge nudge, wink wink.
By what law does this information get to be sealed from a PRR?
Lemme get this straight Man. As Cosby would say. Your going come to Washington to pay 190 dollars a night to stay in a hotel and pay 50 bucks for a steak and sides, and have nowhere to go number 1 or number 2, without carefully stepping over hypodermic needles or not at all because of a sanitation limit, and get a cut on the back of your head or worse getting one strait to the chin while your paying 70 dollars to fill your gas tank...and then singing the cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn again for 3 hours to go 70 miles...and make reservations again next year.
The sooner we get rid of the international and tribal "consortium" the better we will be.
190 a night? What budget place are YOU staying at? That's about 1/2 the cost of a room, with TAXES and fees, that anyone is actually paying during the "off-season".
Sequim West is $190 or so. Sundowner in Sequim by the 101 diner 90 bucks but I would sleep in my car first. 220 at the Red Lion. But your point is well taken.
Don’t forget about Bartertown 😑
Fully subsidized!😊
I think that he meant the park fees, to camp in the park. Thus, the "needles" issue. That implied a camp stay with the rest of the squatters. Sounds about right.
All evil empires fall, but we're not in charge of the timeline, unfortunately.
As long as we are in bodies, in this realm, we're gonna have problems.
Free-will zones are extremely dangerous places to hang out!
Do your best and pray your way out of this hell-hole!😊
Truthing and advocating are worthy activities, but sociopaths have a way of side-stepping things...and they have a lot of friends in both high and LOW places!
Thanks for all you do, John. Never mind my negativity!🙂
I am always suspicious when I see the words WATER and JAMESTOWN S’KLALLAM TRIBE in the same topic. Below, are two snippets from this article.
Hurricane Ridge WATER SYSTEM REHABILITATION - Memorandum of Agreement Public Affairs Office
https://www.nps.gov/olym/learn/news/proposed-mitigations-for-olympic-national-park-water-infrastructure-project-available-for-public-review.htm
Olym has determined that the undertaking may have an adverse effect on two archaeological sites, which are eligible for listing in the National Register of Historic Places and has consulted with the Washington State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO)
Olym has also consulted with the Port Gamble S'Klallam Tribe, JAMESTOWN S’KALLAM TRIBE, and Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe (Tribes), for which the two sites have cultural significance, and has invited the Tribes to sign the MOA as concurring parties
November 15, 2024 Public Affairs Office
Rehab of the Hurricane Ridge water and wastewater systems were completed prior to the rehab of the Visitor Center, itself, and the resulting pyre. Timing of events raises questions that have remained unanswered or pursued. The finding of artifacts during the water/wastewater systems rehab, and prior to the then-underway VC rehab, was a death knell, and quite timely, one could surmise.
Nothing happens purely by 'accident'!🥸
Too bad our culture isn't significant...you know...the one that has made all this largesse possible...we're being culturally genocided!😱
Robert, the tribes aren't about their culture anymore. Little to none speak their original language. Their heritage celebrations are symbolic of a past that very few of the younger generations respect or practice (as is happening in all of the cultures) It is just business and power with a native facade.
Power shifting hands, like shifting sands...what were we thinking coming here, anyway? Did we think we could 'fix' it? Did we think we wouldn't get 'caught up' in it? Angels flying too close to the ground?😊
No matter what the topic or issue, it is going to be about how much taxpayer $$$ they are after and will use any excuse & trickery to get it.This will not change until people that are ignorant to the facts smarten up.
Or elected leaders grow a backbone and stand up for Americans.
They have jelly for bones. Leaders are born, then mentored, by wise ones, which seem to be in very short supply!☺️
Fleecing the sheep. I'm getting cold from not having any wool left on me!🤪
When I lived at the top of Hooker road, we found a massive stash of arrowhead and ax heads. Many were from the Midwest as we had a dealer assess them. They were not typical to the area. Best guess is someone lost their stash. If anything was found even higher up as the park, it most likely would be a similar scenario imo!
Could have been from the last ice age...different DNA then...not the same 'tribes'.
Burden of PROOF on the 'tribe'...not probabilities!😎
Somewhere I have a document showing the Park asking Jack Delguzzi and other city leaders what they thought about park policy. Back when we could actually put "heads in beds" instead of the morgue.
Whomever constitutes "The Tribes" live lives with powered cars, trucks, boats, computers, cell phones, etc.. They use our transportation system, media, airwaves and all other infrastructure. This absurd preoccupation with ancestry carries no, none, "0" logic. The ancestry of every human now living on planet earth is dead, as in no longer living. I'm not dismissing spirituality, but most, if not all societies honor the living to Govern themselves; not the dead. Regarding ancestry, why does one ancestry matter, while another does not ? Who was the first of the first nations ? Who preceded the JKT ancestors ? Where are the exact genealogical and chronological points that verify a person living today is "native" and/or non-native. If this ancestry cultism is to be followed, we should all be paying homage to Homo erectus or Australopithecus or ? If local "tribes" want ancestral recognition at Hurricane Ridge they can first obtain permission from our Department of the Interior which oversees our National Parks. If permission is obtained, they can then pay for and build same. Regardless, the land is owned by the Government of the U.S.A.; bones and all.
LOL! All land is stolen land. American Indians were a stone age species lacking a written language and an understanding of math and science. Technically they weren't indigenous. Originally, they were from Asia. When their feet crossed The Bering Strait, no humans existed on The North American Continent.
There were some entities here before...ceremonially buried giants' remains were found all over the place...Abe Lincoln acknowledged it in a speech at Niagra Falls.
The newspapers used to report on it before they were completely corrupted.
It has been systematically 'debunked' and hidden by (somebodies) for a hundred years +.
The Anunnaki (Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets) were probably the first 'claimants' to occupy Earth in the last million years or so~.
They left written records of their occupation and activities.
Believe it or not.😎
Steve O. The Canadian tribes call themselves (appropriately) either First People or First Nation not Native Americans (inappropriately)
Thank you! Finally! Really. My husband is Czech. He was born there. He's a naturalized citizen of the US. I am a native American. I was born here. So, when they ask on surveys about my ethnicity and there is an option that says "Native American", I always check that box. I was born here. That makes me native to this land.
It's about power and control...nothing is what they say it is...fraud is the best term overall but it's ubiquitous and well funded!🤪
What happened to the blood quantum of 1/8? What does that do for Ron Allen's grandchildren? They wouldn't be eligible for membership to the tribe, at 1/16 blood quantum. So, if they are willing to "water down" the blood quantum, that opens up membership for more people. Wouldn't it?
1/8th or 1/16th of what ? Homo Erectus ? If whatever tribal governance in place recognizes one as a tribal member, genetics or blood does not matter. If the JKT governance recognizes Taylor Swift as a tribal member, so it is. European royalty of old learned that incest yielded damaged progeny. This absurd insanity of blood line ancestral rights is destined to end.
Exactly. Those "rules" had an expiration date. Eventually, the tribes will dissolve and assimilate or face lawsuits.
So, if I left something on Tribal property, and someone found it several decades later, could it be classified as "sensitive"? And all further construction and tourism would be stopped until further notice? Hmm. I wonder how the Tribes would respond?
The NPS has a rule about something being of historical value because it's been there for more than 50 years. So basically if someone popped a Rainer beer cap sitting up there 50+ years ago it could be an artifact.
The 50-year rule has a significant influence on historic preservation in the United States.
MK I heard Elvis Presley was spotted up there and left some blue suede shoes there 50 years ago. I vote for a monument. ELVIS WALKED HERE
I heard once of a rare sighting of an honest politician....naaaah!😊
It was a mirage
Only works one way...sorry!😎
This is a US National Park paid for by US taxpayers. The tribes are exempt from taxes and therefore should have NO voice there. If the tribes want a voice in US territorial / park decisions, they should be paying their share of TAXES to have valid claim to that voice.
Alan, for some reason we have been indoctrinated with the idea that Native Americans love the land more than anyone else, therefore should be the "stewards". That is a ridiculous notion, has no merit and is flawed in so may ways.
I LOVE Washington! I don't know if it's more than anyone else, but... I'm also a Native American. I was born here.
They could post a memorial sign up there? Watch out for Falling Rocks.
Lloyd, also shouldn't BIGFOOT have a say so?
Yeah, for sure. Hes the one rolling the rocks.
Lloyd, thanks for the laugh ; )
Especially rocks more than 50 years old!😆
Seems this will not end well. How much is enough?
Don, it won't ever be enough until they control all. Land, Water, Business and Highways
Tribal Comprehensive Plan spells it all out. The takeover has been planned since 2016 or before. Below is the website and a few snippets in their words.
https://jamestowntribe.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Comprehensive_Plan_Revised_in_2016_Final.pdf
The Jamestown S'Klallam Tribe initially acquired roughly ten acres of fee lands in Blyn in 1986, which it then had converted to reservation land, for the Tribal Campus and future Casino. IT HAS BEEN THE TRIBE’S INTENT FROM THAT TIME FORWARD TO CONTINUE ACQUIRING LANDS FOR REBUILDING THE TRIBE’S LAND BASE AND FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, for instance, by in-filling between the Campus and the southwestern edge of the Blyn basin.
The Jamestown S'Klallam Tribe has an extremely close and long lasting relationship with its natural resources….Our usual and accustomed fishing areas stretch from the mouth throughout the length of the Strait of Juan de Fuca, the San Juan Islands, Admiralty Inlet and Hood Canal.
MUCH OF OUR TRIBAL COMMERCE AND DEVELOPMENT WILL DEPEND ON THE CAPABILITY OF US HIGHWAY 101 to function efficiently as a regional traffic corridor, and provide safe local access. SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE CORRIDOR SHOULD BE TIMED WITH TRIBAL LAND DEVELOPMENT.
The key for the Tribe is to use our COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGES when considering development in any of the TARGETED INDUSTRIES. The primary growth industries which we believe will create new employment and career opportunities are tourism, high-tech businesses, healthcare and medical supplies, marine services and commercial/residential construction
Too much...is not enough!😱
Doubling of the population, halving of the need for human resources = catastrophe!😱