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John Worthington's avatar

What other kind of "pragmatic" solution could there be for a globalist Democrat that thinks there are too many people on the planet. (except climate migrants)

A voluntary Kevorkian type culling method.

War, vaccine, opioids, famine.. Anything to build our global commmie utopia.

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Nancy F Guinn's avatar

None of this is new! It began with private hospitals that developed the business model of ‘for profit’ and ‘non profit’ wings. Nursing homes, hospice, gerontology psych units began as ‘for profit’ wings until they were no longer profitable. The ‘nonprofit ‘ wings became charitable write offs or charitable donations! Which ever boosted their bottom line. The nursing homes, hospice, assisted living became free standing secondary profit centers. Now we have huge numbers of ‘profit centers being built with the promise of life to death care. Initially funded by getting the scared population of people that turn over their homes and investments for a profit to the corporations. That is until their investment in life time care no longer covers that care because they don’t die. The newer version is now ‘memory care’ facilities that provide the same lifetime ‘promise’. When all is said and done the memory care units have many ‘failed’ patients being cared for by unlicensed foreign individuals that become fewer in number as profits fall. Look at all the new facilities being built all over the U.S. that provide that promise to ‘wealthy’ baby boomers’. The poly addiction programs all become a burden once they are no longer profitable. They are funded by Medicare, Medicaid and public grants. Now the success ‘ratios’ are no longer visible. We have growing numbers of ‘homeless’ individuals everywhere. People wonder where they came from as it’s a mystery to the public. Frequently they are the fallout of these failed business models. The only obvious difference is that they are younger, don’t want to be saved or have run through their options in the public domain. Drug suppliers and the flow of drugs into the U.S. is only a small part of the equation. They are for profit corporations that will exist until it is no longer profitable. Everything goes back to those ‘for profit’ centers that fail. The names are changed but the numbers are growing as fallout from the initial corporations become patently obvious failures.

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Robert James's avatar

We have a friend whose Sister has been in dementia-care for a decade at $7000/month all coming out of her 'estate'...she is a living corpse and they will drain every asset from the family for someone who doesn't even know she exists.

From cradle to grave!😱

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Steve O.'s avatar

That $7000 a month ( I think for memory care the figure might be $9000 a month ) could be better invested in cancer research. Once the assets are drained Medicaid comes to the rescue. "Envy the dead. Pity the living" Mark Twain.

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Timothy Weller's avatar

"...could be better invested in cancer research." $7- 9K/mo. could be prudently invested, period. Growing that money( likely what the care facility owner(s) do, via a "foundation", a/k/a non-profit, creating an estate the likes of many congressional members, which is passed down for generations, growing with every new day. Envy no one; life will take you at your own evaluation.

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Steve O.'s avatar

What would Thomas Malthus say about that? He never predicted that technology would not only remove starvation but create obesity and diabetes.

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Robert James's avatar

It isn't the technology...it's the genocidal capitalists grooming and providing the 'drugs-of -'choice'...junk-food...drugs, street and 'legal', media, etc. to 'the people'.

Tech is just a tool for good or evil...looks like evil is ahead by a furlong!🤓

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Teri Vanzant's avatar

That Return on Investment is phenomenal, isn't it? Even better now, you can take a pill or shot and drop that weight but create other issues that will lead to yet other medical calamities that can be masked, but not cured.

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Teri Vanzant's avatar

For what it's worth...hasn't drug and alcohol abuse always been a Kevorkian type culling method? And quite an effective one at that? The only difference is that with NARCAN you now have a renewable source of dead/undead to continue to resurrect for financial gain. It's really kind of ingenuous...otherwise why not just create something like Anabuse where every time you use you crap yourself or throw up?

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John Worthington's avatar

Stop with the Van Sant. Mike John Tanya. I almost threw something at most of them.,..or to them.

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John Worthington's avatar

You might have missed a previous episode of "Jeff's People.'

We get it "straight to the chin" when we go get gas...

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No One Important's avatar

Tribal business is brisk!

Politicians will say anything for power. How much of the state TAXPAYERS' $7M wound up in the Tribe's pockets. How much more TAXPAYERS' money for their $719/encounter treatments, is going into the Tribe's pockets. You've got to hand it to the Tribe-- they've taken tax money laundering to a new level, to the admiration of our county commissioners.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

$719 per encounter now. 💰

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Robert James's avatar

They should just give the $3600-day direct to the addicts...that would solve a lot of problems sooner than later!😀

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Steve O.'s avatar

LOL. I thought I was the only citizen who favors Social Darwinism. Narcan should be illegal.

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John Worthington's avatar

Is it me or does it taste like there is more pepper in the salt and pepper shaker..

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Robert James's avatar

Shit in the Shine-ola!

Rats in the woodpile!

Crocodiles in the cream pie!

Maybe nuclear war would be a positive at this point!🤪

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Robert James's avatar

Casino's are linked to 'mob' activity for a reason.😎

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jeff swegle's avatar

Tribes will prey on their victims for $$$ whatever enterprise that may be.

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Robert James's avatar

And not just 'indian' tribes.

Any tribal activity is likely to turn dark at some point because it's 'us vs them'!🥸

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Kathy's avatar

They also got $13 million for the psych hospital. Previous to that they got more than $3 million for planning (or something along those lines). They asked for another $13 million, I don't know if they got that or not.

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Robert James's avatar

The DOGE session with Glenn Morgan drew around 90 people Thursday evening.

One of the no-brainers that he put out there is that once someone is 'selected' into public office it isn't long before they lose touch with their constituency and become 'in-formed' by the system they are now a part of...it's largely a closed loop where they get feed-back and peer pressure from their insider colleagues and become accountable to the debt-ridden largesse of tax and spend protocols with no regard for outcomes.

I appreciate more than ever what Glenn and Jeff are doing and the dedication to bringing facts and truth to the people.

Our local criminal office holders prove the point of how endemic corruption is...even in little towns with populations of 200 there is USUALLY fraud to be found. Glenn said 'always' and I believe it.

He also pointed out that ALL 'tribal' gov't relations are corrupt and the local politicians are bought and paid for.

It's like swimming up the Amazon but hopefully we can build a boat with enough people onboard to paddle to success at re-forming gov'ts.

I wish us well!😊

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Steve O.'s avatar

From what I have observed in the last six years the population moving here is more motivated by free stuff ( which isn't free because somebody pays for it ) than by government corruption.

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Steve O.'s avatar

BTW many Americans do not realize that people arriving here from The Third World view corruption as a natural consequence of any government or business relationship.

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Garry Blankenship's avatar

If more money did not succeed to help indigent lives, clearly we need more money. Does anyone in the drug addiction treatment world consider drug addition and drug overdose as a chosen suicide path ? For some people there are experiences or conditions that are too difficult to live with. Investing money in denying people the results of their own choosing is a road to nowhere.

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MK's avatar

Socialists get mad when they run out of your money.

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Steve O.'s avatar

If a criminal points a gun in my face and steals my wallet a felony has been committed. Yet the criminal knows he's a criminal. When a voter uses the government which by force also steals my wallet the process is named progressive and that person is compassionate ( using my money ).

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MK's avatar

I'll go a step further. Those progressive policies force people to work more than they normally would have to in order to get by. It's called soft slavery, and they think nothing of it.

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Robert James's avatar

🤗

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Steve O.'s avatar

The War on Drugs is a failure except to cartel employees. The Asian model involves severe punishment where as the Libertarian model involves complete legalization. The problem with the second model would be the percentage of the population that becomes addicted. Somebody has to wake up every morning and go to work to support the junkies.

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Robert James's avatar

Deliver them all to the casino with all the paraphernalia they need!😨

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Steve O.'s avatar

Ha Ha. I can think of a certain house located on Hendrix that could house about twenty or thirty.

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John Worthington's avatar

Those guys got it wrong in 2010..2011..2012..2013.. 2014..2015..2016..

They are the godfathers of getting it wrong.

From ICLEI and the new NODC ,SERN, and NOPLE. The checkering of tribal trust lands on county and city property.

We owe our flat lining.. economically depressed...globally and tribally fleeced.... and raped community all to them.

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Eve So's avatar

Actually, we owe it to the morons who continue to vote for them.

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No One Important's avatar

AMEN to that!

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John Worthington's avatar

C'mon..Merv Griffen is Ohhhing from his grave..The costs of pelts go up with comments like that...:)

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Robert James's avatar

They are selected not elected...elections are 'fronts' which bypass due process...the 'selections' have already been made before we even see the names on the ballots.

'If voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it!' George Carlin.🥸

'It's not the votes that count...it's who counts the votes.' Vlad Lenin.

To abolish corrupt gov'ts is to go where angels fear to tread.😱

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Steve O.'s avatar

Demographics are destiny. Demographics transformed California into a one party state.

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Steve O.'s avatar

I assume that most humans are by nature corrupt and dishonest if an opportunity to advance financially presents itself. The tribe is working in its own self interest. IMO the real villains are the pathological altruists who vote for social programs that seem to constantly fail.

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jeff swegle's avatar

As long as the tribes can out dumb the white man they will continue.

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Steve O.'s avatar

The tribes believe Whites are evil but actually there is a streak of empathy within Whites that does not exist within other human groups. The Whites began trading with the indigenous people whereas it would have been easier to commit genocide. The Comanche and Sioux killed other tribes without mercy. The process of Evolution and natural selection are devoid of ethics outside of the group. Humans share many of the characteristics of a wolf pack.

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jeff swegle's avatar

Whites could have made the natives instinct but did not,the whites saved the hawaiians from becoming instinct during ww11 because the japanese would have taken no survivors if whites were not on the island.Whites should get a little more gratitude instead of being bad mouthed by survivors.

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Robert James's avatar

They got the formula 'right' for 'them'!

Process (and largesse) is the only thing that matters to them...outcomes are meaningless. Paraphrasing Glen Morgan.😊

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jeff swegle's avatar

Homeless & drug addiction & green deal are just agendas that corrupt states can use to throw mass $$$ at but the taxpayers never really see where the $$$ goes because the problems never get solved just continue into oblivion like taxes.Democrat supporters must like being taxed out of their own state.

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MK's avatar

It's the new alternative to self medication (psychiatric treatment) for those incapable of watching someone struggling or eventually dying. They want everyone pay more taxes to fund programs so that they can sleep at night and not chew their fingernails, even if the program is a failure.

They claim they're naturalists espousing that we should let nature have her way, EXCEPT when it comes to humans who are struggling. These people can't even pull a carrot out of the ground without losing sleep that they murdered a living organism.

Humans, as a species, are sick in a medical way. The constant intervening, and the only species that tolerates the sick reproducing more sick, is the real impending danger to our survival. What we're getting from the Ds & Bob Ferguson is the equivalency of carbon credits to pay for this failed social experiment.

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Robert James's avatar

"Letting nature have her way, EXCEPT when it comes to humans"...hypocritical isn't it?

Faith in humanity is one of the sickest concepts ever foisted on the planet.

Everything here is fallen and/or falling.😇

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Steve O.'s avatar

The subject is ironic. On Nextdoor the participants revel in the majesty of an Eagle killing a rat or snatching a salmon from another weaker bird but those same individuals will not allow evolution to occur within the human species.

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Steve O.'s avatar

I think compassion would function properly inside a small community of individuals such as the Amish Tribe. When I see videos of local interlopers creeping around private property or siphoning gas from cars parked in the Cosco parking lot I am filled with contempt and feel no kinship with these humans. I feel more compassion for a hungry dog.

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MK's avatar

That's it.

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Kenneth B Brown's avatar

The problem is not being reduced even with Friday Pizza and free drug paraphernalia.

Current Overdose Death Rate and Ranking

In 2023, Clallam County had the second-highest overdose death rate in Washington, with 70.9 deaths per 100,000 people.

Only Grays Harbor County had a higher rate, at 98.3 per 100,000.

Third place went to Mason County with 55.6 per 100,000.

Updated data from mid-2024 shows Clallam with 59.3 deaths per 100,000 residents, placing it third—behind Grays Harbor and King counties for that period

The county’s rates are far above the state average, underscoring a persistent and severe public health challenge in the region

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4 reasonable development's avatar

So let’s give current addicts more and more free drugs & narcon & needles to keep going & invite all the other druggies across the state here because it’s so easy to set up camp get services & use. No wonder the death rates are high, DUH? I must be a rocket scientist…….

BTW Chapman wants 11 year old children to be taken away from their families to get sex changed so no surprise there. Nothing will improve until people vote differently.

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Steve O.'s avatar

The county needs to import a different type of individual into this region in order to change voting patterns.

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Robert James's avatar

Your scientific abilities are underrated!😊

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John Worthington's avatar

Correct. Putting "harm reduction" in the blue pages of the phone book has not worked.

You need a nurse Ratchet in Bartertown. Lock em up Load them up and let them fight over whether to watch the world series. Don't give them a chance to give me one strait to the chin while I am getting gas.

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Steve O.'s avatar

That is too funny. "One flew east and one flew west and one flew over the cuckoo's nest". I was in graduate school performing rat experiments when the film arrived at the movie theaters. Perhaps a few prefrontal lobotomies would solve our problems. It certainly killed McMurphy's recalcitrance.

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Steve O.'s avatar

I would not provoke an argument with somebody holding a gas nozzle. Not unless I wished to spend the night in a burn ward.

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John Worthington's avatar

The back of your head hits the concrete before you can get to the gas.

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Steve O.'s avatar

I wonder what the factors are. Perhaps some overdoses are suicides. Also our area is rural so perhaps an emergency call might be delayed. How many are found dead in the woods. My knowledge about the subject is limited so my comments are speculation.

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Teri Vanzant's avatar

This is just arm chair quarterbacking as I, and quite possibly Chapman and Tharinger, have never been a drug abuser, but if I was a drug abuser, this is what I would look for an area with moderate climate, tons of helping hand agencies, groups that provided free clothing, housing, drugs, needles, bump kits, NARCAN, tents, meals and medical treatment and a society that was all for promoting the safest, warmest, cuddliest place for me to continue using to my heart's content. I would target an area that has a political leaning towards the compassion that says that all 'addicts' are blameless in their ongoing use because "no one ever chooses to be an addict" despite ALL the information in the world at their fingertips since birth on what the risks are. And what are the rewards to being an addict? Well, judging by what we've seen now, it is the ability to remove all accountability for your actions, not be required to even provide bond money for indiscretions and to continue to victimize the victims that you're committed crimes against by being forever forgiven because of your 'unintended addiction'.

Do I blame Tharinger and Chapman for the mess they've created? Well, yeah, to a certain extent I do. Putting anyone in charge of a decision-making process who has zero experience in dealing with the obvious foreseeable outcome is a little like my going to a gynecologist and expecting him to perform brain surgery. If you want expert opinions on decisions, go to experts, not to rubber stamping progressives who believe that a rousing chorus of "We Are the World" and a poster of Che Guevarra are the answer to society's problems. Stop enabling bad behavior. Period.

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No One Important's avatar

The addicts and bums are being attracted intentionally, so that the crooked commissioners can justify more state and federal money to solve the "housing crisis" or "drug crisis". The more dollars that flows in for these programs means more dollars they can siphon off for their on benefit. Simplistically, the free pizza can also feed a commissioner. The dollars that go for drug paraphernalia can also include something for the commissioner, as well. The new appliances and fixtures that go into a housing remodel for the bums, can also find their way to the commissioners' homes. I am not saying that they do this, but would not be surprised if they did. I'd me more surprised if they didn't. If the money comes from NGOs, the accounting chain is lost and actual cash can disappear, unaccounted for. This is how politicians, on a living income, end up being millionaires. Other ways, they steer contracts to their contractor friends, and the contractor friends do favors back. The corruption is ubiquitous and can be massive.

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Kathy's avatar

We can see what MAT did to Sequim, imagine what it'll be like after they open the psych hospital. It'll have a 16 day maximum stay then ready or not, they're set free into our neighborhoods.

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jeff swegle's avatar

If the current elected radical leaders continue to get voted into office clallam county will become a drug addict infestation.P.A. & sequim school levies passed and now look what kind of future may be coming shortly.

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Robert James's avatar

For most of the world...we just have balcony seats for now..front row for Seattle, Portland, etc.

John has back-door seating...we have wing-seating until the 250 'low-incomes' are finished in our immediate neighborhood.🥲

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Steve O.'s avatar

I have visited most of the public housing projects located in Los Angeles. Some were very scary. The violent low income neighborhoods raised the value of property in safe neighborhoods. Certain groups migrated into the regions and began hunting other groups. As more homeless are attracted to our village there might be a broad market for drug sales hence indirect cartel activity.

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Michael Heath's avatar

Well, Chapman and Tharinger are either completely incompetent idiots or intentionally lying and those of us who knew the truth back when they engaged in railroading the unnecessary MAT clinic down everyone's throats knew it at the time~! It was obviously always Chapman, Tharinger, and other fools and/or liars who were using their typical fear mongering "fear porn" tactics all along and now everyone knows it. Only an idiot would really believe that any MAT clinic would get suffering folks off of the street or reduce crime in any appreciable numbers, but then again "we" have more than our fair share of idiots in our community~! Many of us are wondering when or if these completely failed criminals in government will apply some common-sense reasoning and known policies that have actually had some measure of success in other communities? Most thankfully don't want to go hard core on the folks with drug issues, but this stupid business of fostering and enabling their drug habits clearly came from the pits of Hell itself as a clearly satanic plan~! Folks need gentle encouragement and a safe place to get help, but it won't make a damn it of difference if THEY don't want to get help and change their ways for the better~! Many of us can't believe that there are so many idiots who do not already know that these days, but then again, we know that there are a LOT of people out there who foolishly and stubbornly refuse to admit that they were always tragically dead wrong about supporting the criminally corrupt COVID mandates & deadly "vaccine" death jabs as well... Some have obviously never even done any research into it or paid any attention to the great folks who have been risking everything to get the truth to them... Oh well, survival of the fittest will eventually rule the day~!

Easy come, easy go~!

Enjoy this wonderful cool break from the hot days~!

Sincerely, Mike

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jeff swegle's avatar

Mat clinic makes $$$ by treatments,curing patients will make less $$$.So the more mass treatments the more mass $$$ which was the premeditated goal.There will be more mat clinics built unless council members initiate new laws that prevent them,but i doubt members have enough scruples to think that far ahead.Elected representative drones will say whatever they are told from higher elected and will come up with lame ignorant excuses for their mistakes.

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Robert James's avatar

Scruples? Want are they?🤣 Scrupulously unscrupulous!😎

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m b's avatar

It all started with a free needle exchange at our pharmacies tp prevent the spread of disease, they insisted. It spread more than disease!,

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Powdermonkey's avatar

I know this will fall on some deaf ears. That’s the nature of public discourse today. The loudest voices often aren't the most thoughtful ones. But Sequim deserves better than what’s being implied here.

Blaming the MAT clinic for our community’s struggles is not only short-sighted, it’s historically inaccurate. Sequim’s issues with drug use, violence, and homelessness didn’t begin in 2019. Twenty years ago, there was a meth lab near my home. A murder-suicide occurred near my parents’ house in the 1990s. These challenges have long existed--sometimes hidden, sometimes ignored--but they were never new.

What has changed is visibility. What’s being mistaken for cause is actually response. Treatment doesn’t create crises. It acknowledges them. Fentanyl didn’t arrive because we opened a clinic. It arrived because we didn’t act sooner.

One tragic incident does not mark a trend. Quoting flashbacks from political figures to indict a multi-faceted public health strategy is not analysis. It’s a rhetorical shortcut that invites outrage rather than solutions.

If we're serious about making Sequim safer and healthier, it starts with resisting easy scapegoats. We must remember where we’ve actually been, not just in the last six years, but in the last thirty. That’s what moral leadership requires. That’s what honest civic dialogue demands.

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Powdermonkey's avatar

Appreciate the reply. Just to be clear I never claimed the MAT clinic is responsible for Sequim’s struggles. My original point was the opposite: that scapegoating treatment efforts distracts from the deeper systemic failures that built up long before 2019. Quoting political statements isn’t partisan outrage, it’s a way to assess whether public promises align with outcomes. If we can’t revisit leadership claims without triggering ideological defensiveness, then accountability’s already out the window.

As for “Who are YOU?” I’m a longtime resident who’s lived through Sequim’s quieter crises before fentanyl made them loud. I remember when meth labs were blocks away, when overdoses didn’t trend, and when leadership still claimed there wasn’t a problem. I don’t speak from partisanship. I speak from memory.

Sequim’s issues didn’t begin with a clinic, and they won’t end with retroactive blame. If we’re serious about solutions, we need less slogan recycling and more historical honesty. That’s where real public health and public trust begins. I'm not just asking for historical clarity or moral accountability; I'm asking for policy grounded in evidence-based medical science, not opinion polls or armchair speculation.

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MK's avatar
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I have plenty of experience with having a quasi closed pre-conceived thought process, but I've always been open to new ideas or evidence that challenges the thinking.

The challenges for Clallam County are no different than anywhere else in the U.S., imo.

My take on the problem is that the fix is when society lets people make their own choices, and live with them. That's a touch cold for most people, but if that's the question then that's my answer devoid of emotions when you say, "I'm asking for policy grounded in evidence-based medical science, not opinion polls or armchair speculation."

I don't believe there's a magic pill that actually can address this problem if we look at it from the perspective that society as a whole is increasingly medically sick. Every town and jurisdiction is throwing billions of dollars at this problem, and no one (yet) has got it figured out. So my question to you is how long do we keep throwing money into the fire because we have a belief, not grounded in reality, that there's a fix, because that's the political boondoggle we're facing just to get votes and stay in power.

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I get it not every facility gets it right. I've lived between three different ones, each publicly funded, and the results weren’t equal. One was hands-on and effective. One clearly profited off others' suffering. The third fell somewhere in between. So no, I’m not naive. I’ve seen the failures firsthand. But the lesson isn’t to throw the whole system out, it’s to demand that the worst be held to the standard of the best.

That’s not blind optimism. It’s basic accountability. And I’m not comfortable with the shrug that says “people suck” so we let them spiral. Sequim can do better but only if we stop mistaking cynicism for insight and start insisting on outcomes over slogans

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MK's avatar
Jul 19Edited

To be clear, I'm not saying people suck so to heck with them, I'm saying they are what they are and if we disregard that perspective then are we fooling ourselves?

If you've seen successful models I'd certainly be interested in knowing where this works, and what's your assessment how Clallam County is doing in comparison to demanding the same?

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Kathy Bare's avatar

Now they are building a facility they stated they would never build. Liars

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Susan's avatar

Those of us who still have hope for these addicts support this psych ward. Here's why.

An addict has to be medically cleared to go to rehab. There is no place on the peninsula qualified (or willing) to do that. (OMC? Nope!)

This means the addict has to find a way to Kitsap to even start the process, then wait there until a rehab bed becomes available somewhere in the state. Many give up or give in to cravings before they can find help.

A psych ward is needed here to get these folks into treatment in a timely manner.

The only thing I don't like about this new psych ward is that it will be the most expensive option because it will be run by the Indians.

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