Welcome to Washington, where a salmon has more rights than a human. People should take a look 50 yards up stream and down stream of these fish barrier replacements. Most streams are blocked and fish can't pass. But let's keep throwing billions of dollars at it. Oh the corruption.
Agreed Greg…… we live in the outflow of one of those creeks…… as a fisherman there is no way any salmon could make it past the mouth….. aka 10’ vertical cliff of rock!!!!! Can you say “Boondoggle”?
Classic example of letting the courts effect an outcome. Blame former A.G. Ferguson for not sitting down with the interested parties to come to a solution when the State was sued. Why? My thoughts were that if the courts ruled against the tribes Ferguson won. If they ruled against the State thousands of prevailing wage union construction work would be created. Ferguson wins either way. Heads I win...tails you lose. In the meantime we pay and the tribes and salmon advocates get minimal results for maximum expense. If I'm wrong on this please let me know. I'd embrace a make sense scenario.
Hard not to agree with you Garry. Maybe start retrofitting the mpontoons with flow thru channels? Maight have to engineer new pontoons. I think everyone wants to improve fish habitat. Better escape rates equals better returns. Enforcing fisheries offshore as well. Its a combination of all things. But I'm against dropping the dams on the Columbia and Snake rivers. Spend what you have to in order to create ladders. Do whatever is needed to minimize the fish entering the turbines. For the foreseeable future we need cheap energy for a prosperous economy.
Not until the majority of people read Jeff Tozzer's blog and become aware of the malfeasance. They won't find it in the PDN or Gazette, which are useless for getting the TRUTH out.
Paper Salmon. From what I saw at the Commissioners’ Meeting yesterday, the Let Live The Kings (LLTK) is asking Clallam County to join in the discussion on a new bridge design to ease the way for King Salmon. Mark Ozias said he would be unable to attend the next meeting, but I predict he will be a player in the future. What a great opportunity to tout his participation in this huge and important project. What a feather in his cap on his way to Olympia. Aside from that, this NON-PROFIT group points out that the design shown, from Netherlands, is only in the conceptual stage, with no real data on its feasibility. How many tax dollars are we sending to this NON-PROFIT?
I agree with John Worthington on the NEED for improving the 101 corridor between here and Poulsbo. Let’s spend our time and resources on improving the ability for PEOPLE to access needed services, and improving the economy for PEOPLE, rather than PAPER SALMON.
First off, NOAA the "consortium" once new is toast with this administration. NOAA is just as bad off as FEMA. They both were singled out by the new administration for major changes. Our military can poach better weather information from China, who is making its own weather these days. That sea level rise map damaged their credibility.
Second, I like the idea of a second bridge. The current one was backed up on Friday from the bridge to Hwy 3. The road is obnoxious. They have slowed it down with 15 mph roundabouts even when they have the makings of an over and under. The hwy has very few passing lanes. Its a brutal trip and we need improvements or other options. I am bringing in the Seebee's and the Army Corp's to lead the prevailing cone heads and doing something big. We need investments here in the worst way.
We have to convince the current administration that its a National defense issue because the Army would not be able to defend the most western corner of America...
Personaly, as much as driving 101 and the bridge traffic sucks. I look at it like it is a speed bump to slow the spread of Seattle. Nothing wrong with a slow town. And I would rather keep it that way. Ive lived in the country outside Seattle all my life and watched the filth spread and destroy a good thing. Its happening here way to fast.
Personally then, you have no right to complain about high property taxes if you want isolation to the point of nothing happening to sustain your local government, well this tax is for you..
It has not been "happening." Most people here move to Pugetropolis to make a living. A peninsula will only get so big. Your theory only works for retirees that want their own private Idaho not parents that wish their kid could stick around without living in their basement.. Even then, the medical specialists are in Pugetropolis. No. Its time for real two lane highway in both directions with over and unders.
You sound like someone that appreciates the disgusting filth of the urban jungle. Or at least is willing to accept it for the the any benifits it might provide. Pugetropolis awaits you.
I sound like a guy tired of 15 mph roundabouts and a 10 mile long snake of cars..I am after solid roster spots for working families not just a retirement destination and a rich person's own private Idaho...
We had forest management jobs. It was a mistake to go natural and lose those jobs. We had agriculture jobs. The water battle cut those jobs down to size. We had manufacturing... Now we have your private Idaho and a road system full of trucks bringing everyone in their private Idaho everything they need. Asking for a few solid roster spots for jobs that make sense is not wanting Pugetropolis..... Its trying to protect legacy families and give them a way to hold on.
Don't look now the shipping emissions to bring everything to your own private Idaho hits you first before it hits Pugetropolis thanks to the jet stream. That makes the Rural area full of just as much filth as Pugetropolis..
Seriously? i couldnt care less about shipping emmisions. Im sure with the govs carbon credit system. The emissions will magicly dissappear. The filth is their socialist communist aggenda. And everything that comes with it
I don’t even read your comments anymore. I used to think you might have something to say that was worth reading & pondering on. But now every time I see your name, I have an involuntary eye roll & I have to scroll on cuz you’re.. well, you’re an idiot. & it’s so obvious I can’t understand how YOU don’t see what an idiot you are. I don’t usually resort to name calling, but in your case, it just can’t be helped. I know you THINK you sound smart, but please just stop. Cuz you’re embarrassing yourself & it’s sad asf
That one, shockingly, looks like a short response from you… still not gonna read it 🤣 I think you’re just a troll looking to stir up shit cuz misery loves company. It’s pathetic & sad
Nice try Kev. Always nice to see an amateur try a point by point retort. The Tribes want say now and on a state level and campaign level they have it. Its in the state law.
What the tribe has a hard time with is dissent. They don't know how to deal with it. They want to jump from one foot to the other on policy just because they have this "bad relationship or just because Chief Nowtoday says so..
In our non tribal world, you can't dodge dissent you can't jump from one foot to the other. The "Consortium" stinks and I don't trust them, with policy....
They are up to 23 different policy positions and can't defend themselves. All they do is call people names and play the race card. I am sick of the "consortium."
I need a new administration that gives non-tribal some rights too. Whats wrong with that? One hell of a lot better than Communism or Socialism. Ole Kev is sticking up for a way of government that has never worked anywhere ever. Thats why there are tribes and casino's every 50 miles.
The Tulalip gets to assimilate the Kikialus and Pilchuck Tribe but the S'Klallam's are every 50 miles or less. Why is there not one big Salish coastal tribe. The power cannot be held by some. They just don't know how to wield it and only abuse it.
'More hypocrisy'if tribes and fed & state govt's are so worried about fish stocks then why do they to this date allow gillnetting that is the biggest problem for fish stocks.These agencies & tribes will try and bamboozle the public when dealing with natural resources when $$$ is involved.
It is very sad that we can't trust the local tribal government or the alphabet soup agencies at all, but they have obviously betrayed the public trust SO many times & in SO many ways now that folks who are keeping up with the problems that they have created and the pattern that they always follow know the ugly truth. I remember, not that many years ago, and timed so that few even know it even to this very day, our criminally corrupt media actually ran the true report that the notoriously evil Spotted Owl disaster (an intentionally planned hoax based upon COMPLETELY fake science) that devastated the economy and social fabric of the entire Pacific Northwest for decades had always been based upon completely & intentionally fraudulent & fake science~! Our treasonous government, these underhanded NGOs, and the local powers that be including the various tribal governments ALL gather together like hungry vultures whenever the usual pre-planned "one sided" fraudulent & fake "scientific study" needs to be produced by the corrupted institutions who sell us all out for money~! To the sleeping sheep these fake "studies" always sound good, but to the rest of us we can see that there are serious problems with them because we have seen this nefarious pattern of corruption that time and time again has revealed the criminally evil deceptive ways of the secret "closed door meeting" crowd. It should be obvious that these economic and social "terrorist organizations" that hide behind their phony illusion of legitimacy as government or non-government agencies could care less about America, Americans, or our natural environment~! They kill whales for absolutely no real productive purpose and call it "tradition", while they spew nothing but fake science lies that they always use to trick the weak minded into allowing them the dictatorial power and profit that they endlessly crave. All this as our once beautiful region that was teaming with life not that many decades ago, continues to decline. These are the very government and non-government agencies who are very intentionally & recklessly destroying our natural environment, while they sow their evil seeds of criminal misrepresentation through constant fake science reports that also intentionally divide our community at the same time~! There is no "mistake" or "unintentional/unforeseen consequences" as they always claim when these criminals of humanity are finally caught in their endless web of lies and deceptions~! I pray that folks keep waking up to the clear & obvious pattern of corruption that these monstrous criminals always follow, so that we can remove them and their power to take back our rightful power and freedom to heal our natural environment and our fractured society as soon as possible and hopefully before irreparable harm continues to take its tool~! Sincerely, Mike
Jamestown S'Klallam Salmon are the stupidest fish in the world. They cannot navigate fish ladders or bypass canals, hence dams must be removed, and now they can't figure out how to go under a floating bridge.
It is increasingly looking as if the Tribe and local politicians are just TRYING to create ways to spend tax money. Why? They MUST BE skimming it, either as kickbacks, or special favors to their contractor friends, who then get their unions to support them. Why else would you spend tens of $Millions, if not more, to increase your salmon decimation by 2%, or under $100K (my guess)?
What about gill-netting by the tribes. How come no one talks about that little bit when it comes to the fishing conundrum? How is it that gill nets all but ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE are still allowed? As far as I know they were "invented" in the Middle East, used by Vikings, and brought to this country in colonial times. Some tribes used natural fibers (nettles and cedar bark) in a rudimentary gill net, that unwanted (too small) fish could be backed out of, not efficient at all. They were a far cry from the ones that flourished with commercial fishing until the bans and restrictions stopped the death-nets. I would be glad to allow the Hood Canal to choke the Olympic Peninsula if the tribes made a deal and stopped their use of gill nets, fish pens, and un-native shellfish "farming" in what were to be "protected areas".
This is literally a Google AI overview rehashed into an opinion. This is you next politician y'all. What natural fibers did the peoples of the Middle East, and the Viking use for their gill nets? Why were there more efficient than the one Native used that allow fish to politely back out?
google: “gill net native to Washington state”
top result says tribes used “natural fibers” but not “modern gill nets”
brain lights up like a crab in a trap
decides this invalidates all treaty fishing rights
“aha! the Vikings did it first!”
somehow colonial gill nets = authentic
tribal co-managed fisheries = suspicious
ignores federal law, court cases, science, and 150+ years of precedent
imagines salmon with seasonal affective disorder being inconvenienced in cedar nets around about 1850
modern net: efficient? bad.
traditional net: inefficient? good.
Viking hemp and nettle net: like a game of operation
Native cedar and nettle net: why do they even?
decides NOAA, tribes, and commercial aquaculture are working together to kill the peninsula
proposes letting Hood Canal Bridge rot as punishment
"I would GLADLY let infrastructure collapse if tribes stop fishing"
gives small business anecdote from 2009 as policy expertise
now she's an expert on marine biology, legal history, and net etymology
comment ends with passive-aggressive sarcasm directed at juvenile trout
Mimi drops mic, logs off, sniffs an egg and microwaves leftover halibut
I find the use of gill nets on a river to be abhorrent. I guess, your attitude: "Kevie don't care". But, you never care anyway, do you, darling? It's just about being a contrarian.
I have personal opinions, ya know, dear. I read, and I've been here for a "spell".
You do realize that I am tribal. I just can't get standing under the BIA because, well, because, I had it once, but the changed the blood quantum rules with the casino money. I could if I became a Canadian citizen. But I don't think it is some kind of magic. It's just as much about money as everything else, maybe more. "We can but you can't" is the taunt. But, it doesn't help anyone for some to, and others don't.
The rules should apply to everyone equally -- because no one, at this point is "special". We're all in the same ol'festering planet.
And, sure, whatever. Go play with your paper dolls, Kevie.
I agree. No one is allowed to use gill nets except the Tribes, so they decimate the salmon populations, then demand the destruction of dams to increase their greedy harvest. It's wrong. They are fishing in non-tribal waters. If they fished in their own ponds, I don't care if they used dynamite to decimate their fish, but they screw it up for the rest of the people.
I agree-- we should ALL be Americans and abide by the same laws!
This is truly vintage you. I haven't seen this lack of manners since Jennifer and Kirsten. They all sounds sort of the same but differ in theme. Are they your sisters?
I think my choice of career gives it away that I do care, even having to set aside my personal beliefs to help someone in need of care is part of it. Here on Jeff's Nextdoor however, degredation of others with opposiing viewpoints is the norm. Jeff endoring your actions and that of other commenters on here is worrisome considering that he is an elected official crusading for stronger ethics and you, the hopeful, prospective one indulging in multiple accounts of shaming. gSo what sort of forum are y'all building if the guy who copies and paste (not mention his own purposeful misunderstanding of basic statistics) condones this behavior while simultaneously being booty tickled about being called an asshole? What a truly topsy-turvy narrative.
Yes, I remeber you recounting how you moonwalked away from being tribal because of the conotations - how much easier it was to be known as "white". So I am inviting you to test a few of your claims. The first being about when the St. Regis Band of Mohwak changed their blood quantum requirements, then when casino planning first started. As you are claiming that the blood quantum requirements were raised in order to concentrate the wealth amoung the then tribal members there must be some clarification to be sought, otherwise you do seem rather "Elizabeth Warren". Would this be something you would like to be CCW'd in? Nothing beats transparency and accountability like a good fact finding mission straight to Saint Regis Mohawk themselves.
Its all of what you said and more. Indians should be able to harvest the seals. They are over populated. Another missmanaged natural resource by people sitting behind a desk.
I'm going to make a prediction that beautiful new cameras and electronic toll booths will be installed. But because tribes own the water no tribal citizens will pay for the right to cross over sacred waters. It will be expensive to leave this peninsula, either by air, sea, or land.
The Hood Canal Bridge has problems, no quibbling about that. It doesn’t need to be replaced, though. I think we should worry more about the big black fish from Bangor getting through there successfully than a few salmon.
Oh NO... so, does this mean we need to also open a passage/undo the landslides at Crescent Lake for the super rare Beardslee trout to be able to get to saltwater to become their true salmon selves?
In 2009, when the Hood Canal was "refreshed" it was a nightmare for small businesses -- tourism dropped, I don't mean dropped, I mean, ALL BUT CEASED. I had a downtown business, and it was rough. People told me it wasn't as bad as when the Hood Canal bridge SUNK in a big windstorm in February of 1979. There was another windstorm in 1981 that nearly sunk it. It became stuck open during our big cold, wet, snowy December of 1996, which didn't matter too much because few of the roads in town were plowed, anyway.
Why don't they just wait until we get another big storm to destroy the bridge. With all this talk of 'climate' intensification, it's bound to happen again, soon. Then we can add whatever as a normal course of repairs. Or is this some big rush, rush, rush thing because "I said so?"
They've gotten $12 million over the past ten years, meaning they'd been talking about this long before 2015. Was the plan in place in 2009 when $471 million was spent to overhaul the bridge? And what about the "tens of millions of dollars" to be spent replacing girders starting this fall, is that urgent or another waste of money? Years and years of planning and it's just now coming to light, talk about back door dealings.
Allow seals to be hunted. Raise revenue by adding a "seal/sea lion stamp" to hunting licenses. Allow bow hunting and maybe shotgun. Wherever fish congregate at locks, bridges, natural barriers put in a hunting zone. Seals are pretty intelligent. They'll soon realize they have become prey and avoid the area.
Jeff, you should be all for this project. This is one the Tribes have every right to be deeply involved in - they have a treaty right to half the fish. The more fish out of Hood Canal the more fish in the Dungeness because ocean predation is spread around more. There is no question that the Hood Canal Bridge has caused the decline in salmon in Hood Canal, except for Chum salmon because the outward-bound chums migrate below the level of the pontoons. And the word is that the US Navy will pay for most of the cost because it views the floating bridge as a huge security issue. More fish, more jobs, and we all benefit. Ron Richards
The whole country funds the Navy, but on this project we get the most benefit. You've got to realize too, this is a national security project. The Navy considers the floating bridge a security threat. So there are economic, environmental, and national security issues all at stake here.
Well, they blamed that cute fuzzy owl, who never knew its family caused so much trouble. Fish have tiny brains, that do not realize they are being used as the scapegoat to push an agenda. I say quit using animals for your cause. Humans come to the table and admit “GREED” is the motivation, then everyone starts on equal footing.
Maybe fish aren't part of a cause? Fish are so ancient they never had to deal with any of mankind's barriers in half a billion years. So when a giant concrete wall shows up its not because they are dumb, rather it is there instinct that is failing. There had been no dams, no culverts, no fish ladders. IThey had a map, but we made it unreadable. This type of behavior is infact common and is seen in land animals as well. Ecological fracturing and artifial barriers affect wildlife. Some panther population in Flordia suffer from inbreeding because of the segementing that roads have created. Thats right, a flat road is such a pyschological barrier to the wildest of predators. Take for instance a deer in the headlights... why do they just freeze? In the evolutionary life of the species did they have to deal with bright, glaring lights at 2 AM going 60+ MPH straight at them?
And when you say we’re “using animals for a cause,” I assume maybe you forgot why that owl, or that fish, or that frog mattered in the first place. It wasn’t about sentiment. It was because those species are indicators. When they disappear, it means the whole system’s out of balance. Greed, and our lack of generational foresight has gotten us here. If you would like to read about such an perspective I recommend the book "A Sand County Almanac" by Aldo Leopold
Thank you Kevin for admitting you are assuming why the animals mattered. They were used to start the conversations about the impact of logging in the north west. Basically shutting it down until small companies were gone and Weyerhaeuser + others were
able to take over a regional resources, still busy at it today.,
The fish have lost their spawning grounds because clean energy became a commodity that out weighed the fish. But think how many decades passed with both entities thriving.
Hydro power on small farms, enough fish that guides could take city folks out for the day everyone limiting . The locals (think Seiku, Neah Bay) made money that could sustain them the other months. While still owning rights to shellfish and salmon and true cod, on and on with no restrictions or limits.If fish weren’t able to adapt, how could the hatcheries raise them in 4-5 foot cement tanks, yet once in deeper water they swim down? You’d think they’d all be at the top. Native steelhead did all those things, left lakes swam some how out to sea as a trout, years later find their home stream, beat themselves up and are salmon now. Then die. So thick you could walk across their dead rotting flesh. So the reference to tiny brains makes me question, if a salmon was not hatched at an up river facility and released , how would it know to go up a newly, barrier free stream provided it even had enough water to swim in!
Maybe we can have hatcheries every where there’s a new antibarrier bridge. Seems as practical as a fish with critical thinking skills. Theirs are call instincts, and tiny little brains!
Why wouldn't we want a new bridge? It's been crummy since that last fix. I think we should keep the name. Call it the Bill Bugge 2. It's a good Sequim Name. Reminds one of clams. The Tribe should like that.
Welcome to Washington, where a salmon has more rights than a human. People should take a look 50 yards up stream and down stream of these fish barrier replacements. Most streams are blocked and fish can't pass. But let's keep throwing billions of dollars at it. Oh the corruption.
How much of these $Billions end up in the commissioners' and tribes' pockets?
Agreed Greg…… we live in the outflow of one of those creeks…… as a fisherman there is no way any salmon could make it past the mouth….. aka 10’ vertical cliff of rock!!!!! Can you say “Boondoggle”?
Classic example of letting the courts effect an outcome. Blame former A.G. Ferguson for not sitting down with the interested parties to come to a solution when the State was sued. Why? My thoughts were that if the courts ruled against the tribes Ferguson won. If they ruled against the State thousands of prevailing wage union construction work would be created. Ferguson wins either way. Heads I win...tails you lose. In the meantime we pay and the tribes and salmon advocates get minimal results for maximum expense. If I'm wrong on this please let me know. I'd embrace a make sense scenario.
Not suggesting I have the "answer", but recommend you read my comment on a make sense scenario.
Hard not to agree with you Garry. Maybe start retrofitting the mpontoons with flow thru channels? Maight have to engineer new pontoons. I think everyone wants to improve fish habitat. Better escape rates equals better returns. Enforcing fisheries offshore as well. Its a combination of all things. But I'm against dropping the dams on the Columbia and Snake rivers. Spend what you have to in order to create ladders. Do whatever is needed to minimize the fish entering the turbines. For the foreseeable future we need cheap energy for a prosperous economy.
Autocorrect and fat fingers gives my writing poor marks....
Who can we alert to this scam? DOGE? DOGE_INT?
we can vote out incumbents.
Not until the majority of people read Jeff Tozzer's blog and become aware of the malfeasance. They won't find it in the PDN or Gazette, which are useless for getting the TRUTH out.
But they got that new bridge that took them months to build.
And the bridge 'floaties' could not be built in Port Angeles due to a bone.
Paper Salmon. From what I saw at the Commissioners’ Meeting yesterday, the Let Live The Kings (LLTK) is asking Clallam County to join in the discussion on a new bridge design to ease the way for King Salmon. Mark Ozias said he would be unable to attend the next meeting, but I predict he will be a player in the future. What a great opportunity to tout his participation in this huge and important project. What a feather in his cap on his way to Olympia. Aside from that, this NON-PROFIT group points out that the design shown, from Netherlands, is only in the conceptual stage, with no real data on its feasibility. How many tax dollars are we sending to this NON-PROFIT?
I agree with John Worthington on the NEED for improving the 101 corridor between here and Poulsbo. Let’s spend our time and resources on improving the ability for PEOPLE to access needed services, and improving the economy for PEOPLE, rather than PAPER SALMON.
First off, NOAA the "consortium" once new is toast with this administration. NOAA is just as bad off as FEMA. They both were singled out by the new administration for major changes. Our military can poach better weather information from China, who is making its own weather these days. That sea level rise map damaged their credibility.
Second, I like the idea of a second bridge. The current one was backed up on Friday from the bridge to Hwy 3. The road is obnoxious. They have slowed it down with 15 mph roundabouts even when they have the makings of an over and under. The hwy has very few passing lanes. Its a brutal trip and we need improvements or other options. I am bringing in the Seebee's and the Army Corp's to lead the prevailing cone heads and doing something big. We need investments here in the worst way.
We have to convince the current administration that its a National defense issue because the Army would not be able to defend the most western corner of America...
Personaly, as much as driving 101 and the bridge traffic sucks. I look at it like it is a speed bump to slow the spread of Seattle. Nothing wrong with a slow town. And I would rather keep it that way. Ive lived in the country outside Seattle all my life and watched the filth spread and destroy a good thing. Its happening here way to fast.
Personally then, you have no right to complain about high property taxes if you want isolation to the point of nothing happening to sustain your local government, well this tax is for you..
Thats a streatch.... our high taxes are from a socialist government. Robbing us blind.
It has not been "happening." Most people here move to Pugetropolis to make a living. A peninsula will only get so big. Your theory only works for retirees that want their own private Idaho not parents that wish their kid could stick around without living in their basement.. Even then, the medical specialists are in Pugetropolis. No. Its time for real two lane highway in both directions with over and unders.
You sound like someone that appreciates the disgusting filth of the urban jungle. Or at least is willing to accept it for the the any benifits it might provide. Pugetropolis awaits you.
I sound like a guy tired of 15 mph roundabouts and a 10 mile long snake of cars..I am after solid roster spots for working families not just a retirement destination and a rich person's own private Idaho...
We had forest management jobs. It was a mistake to go natural and lose those jobs. We had agriculture jobs. The water battle cut those jobs down to size. We had manufacturing... Now we have your private Idaho and a road system full of trucks bringing everyone in their private Idaho everything they need. Asking for a few solid roster spots for jobs that make sense is not wanting Pugetropolis..... Its trying to protect legacy families and give them a way to hold on.
Thank you John for keeping it real. Some of these people are so lost they can’t see beyond their own noses. I appreciate you
Getting killed by a wacko while trying to get gas is something that the Pugetroplis "filth" would do. Mark Curtis' Point Roberts analogy was great.
Don't look now the shipping emissions to bring everything to your own private Idaho hits you first before it hits Pugetropolis thanks to the jet stream. That makes the Rural area full of just as much filth as Pugetropolis..
Seriously? i couldnt care less about shipping emmisions. Im sure with the govs carbon credit system. The emissions will magicly dissappear. The filth is their socialist communist aggenda. And everything that comes with it
That is an excellent point.
sees NOAA and tribes working on salmon passage
decides it’s actually a “conspiracy”
consortium = globalist, unaccountable, deep-state fish cabal
NOAA = FEMA = failed state agencies
“China makes its own weather”
says it like that’s normal
implies U.S. military gets weather from TikTok
suddenly pivots
“I like the idea of a second bridge”
current bridge = too slow
hates roundabouts because they’re not war-themed
demands overpasses and military-style solutions
“bringing in the Seabees and the Army Corps”
calls local planners “coneheads”
now it’s a national defense issue
Clallam County = Normandy
bridge traffic = national security breach
somehow thinks Trump will greenlight $2B because he invoked the word “Army”, and open all post exchanges so he can eat, and buy toys tax free
ends with: “we need investments in the WORST way”
translation: “build a bridge, but not for fish”
Not a boondongle when perspectives change.
I don’t even read your comments anymore. I used to think you might have something to say that was worth reading & pondering on. But now every time I see your name, I have an involuntary eye roll & I have to scroll on cuz you’re.. well, you’re an idiot. & it’s so obvious I can’t understand how YOU don’t see what an idiot you are. I don’t usually resort to name calling, but in your case, it just can’t be helped. I know you THINK you sound smart, but please just stop. Cuz you’re embarrassing yourself & it’s sad asf
“I don’t even read”—
twelve lines deep, frothing with rage.
Silence speaks louder.
That one, shockingly, looks like a short response from you… still not gonna read it 🤣 I think you’re just a troll looking to stir up shit cuz misery loves company. It’s pathetic & sad
Nice try Kev. Always nice to see an amateur try a point by point retort. The Tribes want say now and on a state level and campaign level they have it. Its in the state law.
What the tribe has a hard time with is dissent. They don't know how to deal with it. They want to jump from one foot to the other on policy just because they have this "bad relationship or just because Chief Nowtoday says so..
In our non tribal world, you can't dodge dissent you can't jump from one foot to the other. The "Consortium" stinks and I don't trust them, with policy....
They are up to 23 different policy positions and can't defend themselves. All they do is call people names and play the race card. I am sick of the "consortium."
I need a new administration that gives non-tribal some rights too. Whats wrong with that? One hell of a lot better than Communism or Socialism. Ole Kev is sticking up for a way of government that has never worked anywhere ever. Thats why there are tribes and casino's every 50 miles.
The Tulalip gets to assimilate the Kikialus and Pilchuck Tribe but the S'Klallam's are every 50 miles or less. Why is there not one big Salish coastal tribe. The power cannot be held by some. They just don't know how to wield it and only abuse it.
'More hypocrisy'if tribes and fed & state govt's are so worried about fish stocks then why do they to this date allow gillnetting that is the biggest problem for fish stocks.These agencies & tribes will try and bamboozle the public when dealing with natural resources when $$$ is involved.
It is very sad that we can't trust the local tribal government or the alphabet soup agencies at all, but they have obviously betrayed the public trust SO many times & in SO many ways now that folks who are keeping up with the problems that they have created and the pattern that they always follow know the ugly truth. I remember, not that many years ago, and timed so that few even know it even to this very day, our criminally corrupt media actually ran the true report that the notoriously evil Spotted Owl disaster (an intentionally planned hoax based upon COMPLETELY fake science) that devastated the economy and social fabric of the entire Pacific Northwest for decades had always been based upon completely & intentionally fraudulent & fake science~! Our treasonous government, these underhanded NGOs, and the local powers that be including the various tribal governments ALL gather together like hungry vultures whenever the usual pre-planned "one sided" fraudulent & fake "scientific study" needs to be produced by the corrupted institutions who sell us all out for money~! To the sleeping sheep these fake "studies" always sound good, but to the rest of us we can see that there are serious problems with them because we have seen this nefarious pattern of corruption that time and time again has revealed the criminally evil deceptive ways of the secret "closed door meeting" crowd. It should be obvious that these economic and social "terrorist organizations" that hide behind their phony illusion of legitimacy as government or non-government agencies could care less about America, Americans, or our natural environment~! They kill whales for absolutely no real productive purpose and call it "tradition", while they spew nothing but fake science lies that they always use to trick the weak minded into allowing them the dictatorial power and profit that they endlessly crave. All this as our once beautiful region that was teaming with life not that many decades ago, continues to decline. These are the very government and non-government agencies who are very intentionally & recklessly destroying our natural environment, while they sow their evil seeds of criminal misrepresentation through constant fake science reports that also intentionally divide our community at the same time~! There is no "mistake" or "unintentional/unforeseen consequences" as they always claim when these criminals of humanity are finally caught in their endless web of lies and deceptions~! I pray that folks keep waking up to the clear & obvious pattern of corruption that these monstrous criminals always follow, so that we can remove them and their power to take back our rightful power and freedom to heal our natural environment and our fractured society as soon as possible and hopefully before irreparable harm continues to take its tool~! Sincerely, Mike
Jamestown S'Klallam Salmon are the stupidest fish in the world. They cannot navigate fish ladders or bypass canals, hence dams must be removed, and now they can't figure out how to go under a floating bridge.
It is increasingly looking as if the Tribe and local politicians are just TRYING to create ways to spend tax money. Why? They MUST BE skimming it, either as kickbacks, or special favors to their contractor friends, who then get their unions to support them. Why else would you spend tens of $Millions, if not more, to increase your salmon decimation by 2%, or under $100K (my guess)?
What about gill-netting by the tribes. How come no one talks about that little bit when it comes to the fishing conundrum? How is it that gill nets all but ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE are still allowed? As far as I know they were "invented" in the Middle East, used by Vikings, and brought to this country in colonial times. Some tribes used natural fibers (nettles and cedar bark) in a rudimentary gill net, that unwanted (too small) fish could be backed out of, not efficient at all. They were a far cry from the ones that flourished with commercial fishing until the bans and restrictions stopped the death-nets. I would be glad to allow the Hood Canal to choke the Olympic Peninsula if the tribes made a deal and stopped their use of gill nets, fish pens, and un-native shellfish "farming" in what were to be "protected areas".
This is literally a Google AI overview rehashed into an opinion. This is you next politician y'all. What natural fibers did the peoples of the Middle East, and the Viking use for their gill nets? Why were there more efficient than the one Native used that allow fish to politely back out?
google: “gill net native to Washington state”
top result says tribes used “natural fibers” but not “modern gill nets”
brain lights up like a crab in a trap
decides this invalidates all treaty fishing rights
“aha! the Vikings did it first!”
somehow colonial gill nets = authentic
tribal co-managed fisheries = suspicious
ignores federal law, court cases, science, and 150+ years of precedent
imagines salmon with seasonal affective disorder being inconvenienced in cedar nets around about 1850
modern net: efficient? bad.
traditional net: inefficient? good.
Viking hemp and nettle net: like a game of operation
Native cedar and nettle net: why do they even?
decides NOAA, tribes, and commercial aquaculture are working together to kill the peninsula
proposes letting Hood Canal Bridge rot as punishment
"I would GLADLY let infrastructure collapse if tribes stop fishing"
gives small business anecdote from 2009 as policy expertise
now she's an expert on marine biology, legal history, and net etymology
comment ends with passive-aggressive sarcasm directed at juvenile trout
Mimi drops mic, logs off, sniffs an egg and microwaves leftover halibut
Not an AI answer.
I find the use of gill nets on a river to be abhorrent. I guess, your attitude: "Kevie don't care". But, you never care anyway, do you, darling? It's just about being a contrarian.
I have personal opinions, ya know, dear. I read, and I've been here for a "spell".
You do realize that I am tribal. I just can't get standing under the BIA because, well, because, I had it once, but the changed the blood quantum rules with the casino money. I could if I became a Canadian citizen. But I don't think it is some kind of magic. It's just as much about money as everything else, maybe more. "We can but you can't" is the taunt. But, it doesn't help anyone for some to, and others don't.
The rules should apply to everyone equally -- because no one, at this point is "special". We're all in the same ol'festering planet.
And, sure, whatever. Go play with your paper dolls, Kevie.
I agree. No one is allowed to use gill nets except the Tribes, so they decimate the salmon populations, then demand the destruction of dams to increase their greedy harvest. It's wrong. They are fishing in non-tribal waters. If they fished in their own ponds, I don't care if they used dynamite to decimate their fish, but they screw it up for the rest of the people.
I agree-- we should ALL be Americans and abide by the same laws!
This is truly vintage you. I haven't seen this lack of manners since Jennifer and Kirsten. They all sounds sort of the same but differ in theme. Are they your sisters?
I think my choice of career gives it away that I do care, even having to set aside my personal beliefs to help someone in need of care is part of it. Here on Jeff's Nextdoor however, degredation of others with opposiing viewpoints is the norm. Jeff endoring your actions and that of other commenters on here is worrisome considering that he is an elected official crusading for stronger ethics and you, the hopeful, prospective one indulging in multiple accounts of shaming. gSo what sort of forum are y'all building if the guy who copies and paste (not mention his own purposeful misunderstanding of basic statistics) condones this behavior while simultaneously being booty tickled about being called an asshole? What a truly topsy-turvy narrative.
Yes, I remeber you recounting how you moonwalked away from being tribal because of the conotations - how much easier it was to be known as "white". So I am inviting you to test a few of your claims. The first being about when the St. Regis Band of Mohwak changed their blood quantum requirements, then when casino planning first started. As you are claiming that the blood quantum requirements were raised in order to concentrate the wealth amoung the then tribal members there must be some clarification to be sought, otherwise you do seem rather "Elizabeth Warren". Would this be something you would like to be CCW'd in? Nothing beats transparency and accountability like a good fact finding mission straight to Saint Regis Mohawk themselves.
Keviner, you wear me out. I can’t play anymore.
Its all of what you said and more. Indians should be able to harvest the seals. They are over populated. Another missmanaged natural resource by people sitting behind a desk.
Replacement of the bridge is, without one of the stupidest damn things these clowns have come up with lately.
I'm going to make a prediction that beautiful new cameras and electronic toll booths will be installed. But because tribes own the water no tribal citizens will pay for the right to cross over sacred waters. It will be expensive to leave this peninsula, either by air, sea, or land.
True story
Yes, we may be creating our own little prison where we pay continual reparations for the right to live in said prison.
The Hood Canal Bridge has problems, no quibbling about that. It doesn’t need to be replaced, though. I think we should worry more about the big black fish from Bangor getting through there successfully than a few salmon.
Oh NO... so, does this mean we need to also open a passage/undo the landslides at Crescent Lake for the super rare Beardslee trout to be able to get to saltwater to become their true salmon selves?
In 2009, when the Hood Canal was "refreshed" it was a nightmare for small businesses -- tourism dropped, I don't mean dropped, I mean, ALL BUT CEASED. I had a downtown business, and it was rough. People told me it wasn't as bad as when the Hood Canal bridge SUNK in a big windstorm in February of 1979. There was another windstorm in 1981 that nearly sunk it. It became stuck open during our big cold, wet, snowy December of 1996, which didn't matter too much because few of the roads in town were plowed, anyway.
Why don't they just wait until we get another big storm to destroy the bridge. With all this talk of 'climate' intensification, it's bound to happen again, soon. Then we can add whatever as a normal course of repairs. Or is this some big rush, rush, rush thing because "I said so?"
They've gotten $12 million over the past ten years, meaning they'd been talking about this long before 2015. Was the plan in place in 2009 when $471 million was spent to overhaul the bridge? And what about the "tens of millions of dollars" to be spent replacing girders starting this fall, is that urgent or another waste of money? Years and years of planning and it's just now coming to light, talk about back door dealings.
Allow seals to be hunted. Raise revenue by adding a "seal/sea lion stamp" to hunting licenses. Allow bow hunting and maybe shotgun. Wherever fish congregate at locks, bridges, natural barriers put in a hunting zone. Seals are pretty intelligent. They'll soon realize they have become prey and avoid the area.
Seals are smart. They have figured out faster than the fish that easy picking are now in "this" lane.
I hear harbor seals taste like chicken.
Jeff, you should be all for this project. This is one the Tribes have every right to be deeply involved in - they have a treaty right to half the fish. The more fish out of Hood Canal the more fish in the Dungeness because ocean predation is spread around more. There is no question that the Hood Canal Bridge has caused the decline in salmon in Hood Canal, except for Chum salmon because the outward-bound chums migrate below the level of the pontoons. And the word is that the US Navy will pay for most of the cost because it views the floating bridge as a huge security issue. More fish, more jobs, and we all benefit. Ron Richards
I didn't realize the Navy would pay for most of it. Who funds the Navy?
The whole country funds the Navy, but on this project we get the most benefit. You've got to realize too, this is a national security project. The Navy considers the floating bridge a security threat. So there are economic, environmental, and national security issues all at stake here.
Except the seals.
be 6-inch salmon
swim literal hundreds of miles through rivers, estuaries, predators
make it to Hood Canal Bridge
"wtf is this horizontal concrete monster"
swim back and forth like a confused Roomba
seals be like 🍽️
NOAA: “hmm maybe this giant manmade structure is confusing fish”
CCWD: “LOL dumb fish can’t figure out bridge, clearly tribal conspiracy”
proceeds to blame fish, NOAA, tribal gas stations, and Norway
ignores court-ordered culvert removal mandate
“why don’t they pay more taxes??”
"it's not about race until it is, I just ask questions"
somehow ends with Makah whaling and aquaculture being suspicious
galaxy brain: salmon are an excuse to steal your home, roads, name of you High Schools...
“is this really about fish… or something bigger”
(it's always something bigger)
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Well, they blamed that cute fuzzy owl, who never knew its family caused so much trouble. Fish have tiny brains, that do not realize they are being used as the scapegoat to push an agenda. I say quit using animals for your cause. Humans come to the table and admit “GREED” is the motivation, then everyone starts on equal footing.
Maybe fish aren't part of a cause? Fish are so ancient they never had to deal with any of mankind's barriers in half a billion years. So when a giant concrete wall shows up its not because they are dumb, rather it is there instinct that is failing. There had been no dams, no culverts, no fish ladders. IThey had a map, but we made it unreadable. This type of behavior is infact common and is seen in land animals as well. Ecological fracturing and artifial barriers affect wildlife. Some panther population in Flordia suffer from inbreeding because of the segementing that roads have created. Thats right, a flat road is such a pyschological barrier to the wildest of predators. Take for instance a deer in the headlights... why do they just freeze? In the evolutionary life of the species did they have to deal with bright, glaring lights at 2 AM going 60+ MPH straight at them?
And when you say we’re “using animals for a cause,” I assume maybe you forgot why that owl, or that fish, or that frog mattered in the first place. It wasn’t about sentiment. It was because those species are indicators. When they disappear, it means the whole system’s out of balance. Greed, and our lack of generational foresight has gotten us here. If you would like to read about such an perspective I recommend the book "A Sand County Almanac" by Aldo Leopold
Ps I am a nonfiction reader and heavy consumer. Thank you for book suggestion!
You're welcome. His prose and the nostalgia within is to be admired.
Thank you Kevin for admitting you are assuming why the animals mattered. They were used to start the conversations about the impact of logging in the north west. Basically shutting it down until small companies were gone and Weyerhaeuser + others were
able to take over a regional resources, still busy at it today.,
The fish have lost their spawning grounds because clean energy became a commodity that out weighed the fish. But think how many decades passed with both entities thriving.
Hydro power on small farms, enough fish that guides could take city folks out for the day everyone limiting . The locals (think Seiku, Neah Bay) made money that could sustain them the other months. While still owning rights to shellfish and salmon and true cod, on and on with no restrictions or limits.If fish weren’t able to adapt, how could the hatcheries raise them in 4-5 foot cement tanks, yet once in deeper water they swim down? You’d think they’d all be at the top. Native steelhead did all those things, left lakes swam some how out to sea as a trout, years later find their home stream, beat themselves up and are salmon now. Then die. So thick you could walk across their dead rotting flesh. So the reference to tiny brains makes me question, if a salmon was not hatched at an up river facility and released , how would it know to go up a newly, barrier free stream provided it even had enough water to swim in!
Maybe we can have hatcheries every where there’s a new antibarrier bridge. Seems as practical as a fish with critical thinking skills. Theirs are call instincts, and tiny little brains!
Why wouldn't we want a new bridge? It's been crummy since that last fix. I think we should keep the name. Call it the Bill Bugge 2. It's a good Sequim Name. Reminds one of clams. The Tribe should like that.
I don’t mind sitting in bridge traffic when I see the fabulous outline of a subs upper portion, and feel thankful it’s ours!